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forget Hongcouver, here comes Chinada!

forget Hongcouver, here comes Chinada!
 

Story out of the Globe and Mail this week, about wealthy Chinese participating in real estate tours to purchase Canadian properties.

Looks like déja vu all over again.

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Hongcouver 哥華

Remember “Hongcouver” (earlier posting here), when the Hong Kong Chinese were snapping up real estate in Vancouver in anticipation of the fear that was to occur in 1997?

Their fear of the red commie hoardes during the 1997 re-possession of the island Brit colony.

Even California Arnold Schwarzenegger referred to Vancouver as Hongcouver.

“Vancouver, or as we call it down here, Hongcouver, they can fight for those jobs, but may the best province win.”

- Arnold Schwarzenegger

…and the following snippet from Hollywoodgrind.com:

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I am a Vancouverite of Hong Kong descent.

When Arnold said this a few years back, there was a great deal of disappointment that somebody with his stature and political clout would say something so offensive. This was not only a sentiment of the Chinese community, but of the entire population in general. Vancouver is a very cosmopolitan city. In fact, it almost seems like those of European descent are the minority.

So yes, stereotyping is offensive at the very least.

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Yes, we remember Hongcouver well.

Back in the early 1990’s, local Vancouver realtors frenzied about, snagging up Chinese speaking sales people.

They catered to the HK love of status by pumping out information about “west side” exclusivity – of ‘upper class’ neighbourhoods, of prestigious schools, of being in an uppity neighbourhood …where poorer cousins and pals would turn green with envy.

It was real estate greed and snobbery at it’s worst.

Ah, yes… the good old Hongcouver days!

We remember the local backlash too.

Remember the proliferation of “monster” homes?

Big fat, funny proportioned boxes built cheaply and poorly disguised to look like estate mansions. Boxes crammed with many small bedrooms… because quantity counted more than quality when it came down to who had the biggest and most.

Boxes built for potential new HK families were eerily similar.

Builders were in cahoots with their realtor buds. They churned out a formula of placing lots of number “eight” (8) on a building address (because the number ‘8′ sounded similar to ‘wealth’ in Chinese).

And when doo-dads like “Chinese wok kitchens”, gaudi staircases, marble tiled floors, and superficial ‘high-end’ finishes like, granite countertops, kohler bathroom fixtures, along with fake designer lighting fixtures were pasted onto the monster box, HK clientele were frothing at their mouths.

It was an industry created to cater to Hong Kongers’ love of status and showing off.

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typical Hongcouver Monster home
“the lipstick on a pig”
design style

Then came the nasty exchange between the locals and the newbies.

We remember the wholesale destruction of trees on private properties that were cleared to make way for these monster boxes. Bloated stucco and stone box homes were popping up like swollen members on quiet little tree lined streets and mature small bungalow neighbourhoods.

In short time, the ugly elements of racial tension started to appear.

We got the moniker “Hongcouver” 哥華. We got,

“Chinks hate trees”

Oh, that nasty “C” word!

The new citizens claimed of bad luck when trees were in the way. Bad Feng shui. Others accused the Hong Kongers of another reason:

… trees are high maintenance.

Leaves to rake, branches to cut, and worst of all, it blocked views. Views from the monster home to beyond, and more important, views from the street to the monster box.

Our fictional Mr Hop Sing further explains,

Yeah. Me likee tree.

But me no likee big tree.

You must understand, how I can show off my big Canada mansion with a big leafy tree blocking the view?

How you will to show off nicee house?

Leaf also brock gutter too.

NO can likee!

You no understand me when I cut tree.

And before you can say “how lovely to see the autumn leaves hit the pavement”, a huge outcry from Vancouver citizens were heard.

Those Hongers are chopping down our trees!

That was 15 years ago.

Is this below-the-surface racial BS about to simmer back to the surface?

A read through some of the comments on this week’s Globe and Mail comments echo some of the same old sentiments.

But before we paint dissent as racism, let’s understand the frustration behind some of those comments.

Take this comment for example:

This bugs me to no end. Why are we allowing non Canadians to buy property in Canada?I wish our government would make it illegal for foreigners to buy property or land here.

Hmmm. Interesting point!

We, along with other friends in our generation are wondering if our kids will be able to afford to buy their own home when they get to our age.

It does kind of suck to see the community we’ve helped build, then later learn, that our descendants may be excluded from it.

It is a tough call.

We love immigration and outside investment, as it helps stimulate the economy, provide jobs, trickle down effect and blah, blah, blah.

But when an ‘outsider’ drops into town over a weekend, and purchases 30+ single family homes in Vancouver (according to a recent Vancouver Sun article), it is tough to compete.

Other jurisdictions have made it impossible for foreigners to acquire landed property.

Places like Singapore and China.

In China, both locals and foreigners can’t own property. You can only lease it from the government.

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Here is a portion of the Globe and Mail story (link here):

China’s latest export: home buyers

by JOHN LEHMAN/THE GLOBE AND MAIL

30 investors taking tour of Toronto and Vancouver this summer expected to drop a half-million dollars each

Half a world away, a handful of Chinese citizens are feverishly planning a Canadian real-estate shopping excursion.A farmer, an engineer, a furniture maker and a caterer are among the 30 hopeful investors who have paid $5,500 each to take a real estate tour of Toronto and Vancouver in August. This isn’t about tourism: Each of them expect to drop at least a half-million dollars on downtown condos during their 10-day visit.

While Chinese investors in Canada are nothing new, this delegation is thought by those in the industry to be one of the largest to travel in one group. The trip was put together by Ricky Zhang of TransAsia Investment Partners, a Chinese company that was created to help residents buy properties abroad, particularly in Canada.

He said it was difficult for investment groups to travel together before last December, because Canada and China didn’t have a deal that allowed large Chinese tours to Canada. But with a travel agreement now in place, he said interest has increased and Chinese investors are looking to spend heavily while abroad.

“With the rising risk of the bubble bursting in the Chinese real estate market, there is a demand for overseas real estate for diversification, safety and relatively high rental yield,” he said.

“The purpose for this trip is to find good deals for immigrants and investors. We do not intend to bring speculators to Canada and, during the promotion events, we always highlight on the market stability as opposed to the great volatility in China.”

To ensure investors are serious, he has deliberately set the price tag high.

“They stay in four-star hotels, eat $30 meals,” Mr. Zhang said. “I am not sure if this is a really high standard in Canada, but in China it is only affordable by the upper class.”

[…] more on the Globe and Mail website

tUCC note: that paragraph “…he has deliberately set the price tag high”, is obviously  just bloody GREED …

So, is it Chinada 拿大?

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We, at the UGLY Chinese Canadian do have one nagging question.

Why weren’t there any grumblings or whinings from our fellow belly aching citizens, when Americans bought up properties here in Canada? Or when the Germans were snapping up stuff over here?

Ah, yah bunch of Hosers… it’s one of the not-so-great mysteries here in the Great White North.

  1. Ronglimeng07-16-10

    “Why weren’t’ there any grumblings or whinings from our fellow belly aching citizens, when Americans bought up properties here in Canada? Or when the Germans were snapping up stuff over here?”

    I think I can answer that fairly easily…it is because any American or German real estate buyers don’t travel in large groups and remain relatively inconspicous.

    “C****s” don’t like trees.” That has certainly been my experience after being married to a woman who used to be Chinese. I’ve had to cut down 3 trees on our modest property, 2 of them just for feng shui concerns.

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  2. tUCC07-16-10

    Interesting observation Ronglimeng. Yes we’ve seen our fair share of hacking and chopping over here too… and conspicuous Chinese real estate buyers.

    The new Chinese sayings of:

    … “trees are great, but not in my backyard (or frontyard)”

    … and when shopping for real estate, talk loud, make fuss … and others will notice you.

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  3. ExpatHKboy07-16-10

    Sawmills in British Columbia are shipping lumber to China … white people can clearcut whole forests in B.C. but demonize chinks cutting down one or two trees in someone’s backyard?

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  4. tUCC07-24-10

    You make a valid point ExpatHKboy … but the issue that some city folks have is that the green pieces become a part of the family… a family that includes trees across the entire city.

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  5. ExpatHKboy07-24-10

    tUCC, I see. Is that why those Western mansions have such a huge frontyard and backyard? Wait! How many trees did they cut down to have such a grand view. I love those mini golf courses, too. I am talking about those 10-million to 20-million CAD mansions.

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  6. RiceandRice08-27-10

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  8. grumblings there were08-29-10

    There have been grumblings in Nova Scotia about Europeans and Americans buying up property for years. It has been a great concern for many who live along the coast. It’s got nothing to do with race and more to do with pushing up housing values/costs and property taxes for people who have lived there for generations.

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  9. ExpatHKboy08-29-10

    grumblings there were,

    Nova Scotia did it without the racial component. Do we hear the nickname “Euro-US scotia” over there because of that?

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  10. grumblings there were09-12-10

    No, of course you don’t since the number of people isn’t as high as the number of HKers or Chinese in Vancouver.
    I’m not sure what the locals on the South Shore call them. I’m sure they do have some special names.

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  11. grumblings there were09-12-10

    Who says it was racial anyway? Sounds like they are referring to destination of origin to me… “Chicouver” or “Hongcouver”? Aren’t they both locations…isn’t HK a multicultural society?
    Actually, the change reflects that it wasn’t about race since they have made a distinction of two groups of immigrants based on destination of origin although they are both predominantly the same ethnicity.

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  12. Chinky Chink10-16-10

    I lived in Vancouver throughout the 1990s and it was the most racist place ever towards Hongkongers and Asians in general that I have ever experienced. The racism was not even subtle, but was blatantly in your face. After all, it was the place where the Japanese Internment and the Chinese Exclusion Act started, and racism against Asians is deep inside their DNAs.

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  14. tUCC10-20-10

    Hi ExpatHKboy … we checked our spam filter and didn’t see an earlier comment by you. Not sure what happened. Perhaps you could share your comments again. Thanks.

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  15. ExpatHKboy12-07-10

    Canada’s wealthiest neighbourhoods

    Price: $16.8M
    Square feet: 8,065
    FSA: V7S
    Average cost of real estate: $1.8M – $2.8M
    Notable people: Douglas Coupland, Vicki Gabereau, Jim Pattison, Michael Bublé

    West Vancouver’s gilded homesteads are where Canada’s most eclectic mix of neighbours can be found. Entertainers like Diana Krall, mix with hyper-wealthy Asian émigrés, oil barons, Malaysian royals and even Douglas Coupland who grew up in the area.

    The access to Vancouver’s laid-back lifestyle, the rainforests, seashores and mountains, is an unbeatable combination, whether you’re based on the rocky shoreline surrounding Point Atkinson and Horseshoe Bay or above the Upper Levels Highway. Whistler is just over 30 minutes away. The evolution from mid-century California bungalows to modern castles has meant a corresponding leap in property prices. While the average home sells in the range of $1.2 to $2.4 million, at the top of the scale is a five-acre lot listed for $39.9 million, with plans for a 21,000-square-foot rancher, a guest home, an Olympic-sized pool.

    http://money.ca.msn.com/banking/mortgages/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=26642686&page=1

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  16. corky01-04-11

    yeh- whydont we just sell everything to the chinese. Yeh Macleans magazeen wus right. Too many chinese here in Canada. The only ones who seem to be cool are you canadian born chinese. The new immigrant chinese haff no idea of what and how guud they have it. the new immigrants really take matters for granted and love to fuck you old timer canadian borns over and over. too bad for you old timer chinese canadaians. Here you guys are fighting for good causes all you life and all and the new immigrant guys come in and do nuthing but suck up yuour fruits of labor. and give nuthing back to Canada.

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  17. Your friend01-19-11

    Mainlander slamming head-tax descendants.

    http://www.realestatetalks.com/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=58757&start=120

    Thompson » Tue Jan 18, 2011 9:36 pm
    I see these “leaders” are well trained puppets, they never bite their masters. Last time I saw those jackass said the similar bs about “head tax” issure, they all wet their pants when some Chinese asking an apologise from Canadian government.

    If it’s not a culture issue, why did they worried about their property value going down? Personally I can sleep sound in the graveyard, but I’ll just against the hospice build next door to me, because I can not stop other people being superstition, that will certainly bring my property value down.

    People still buy the property next to cemetery (I definite note the difference between hospices and cemetery, but it was bring out by Seth’s video) for living like you ssee that in Hong Kong, but with lower prices.

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  18. Bluenose concerns04-10-12

    Concerns about Europeans and Americans buying up properties in Nova Scotia and forcing up the values of homes on the South Shore have been expressed for years. For some locals it has come to the point where they cannot afford the property taxes. This had nothing to do with race and I don’t think people should be so quick to jump on this as a race thing in Vancouver. Some racism will come from small minds, but certainly there is also a lot of well-founded concern about how much foreign money is pricing locals out of the market. Australia has dealt with this problem to some degree by introducing new regulations for foreign purchasers.

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    • Judge Dredd04-11-12

      Due to a mental defect, some people tend to blame race to explain everything.

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    • JB07-03-12

      Yes, the issue is whether or not people who have grown up in an area can aspire to own a home there. I left Vancouver in ‘74 for the Maritimes, and visit the west coast each winter. The house prices in Vancouver are outrageous, AND, the quality of what you get is very poor, compared to housing on the East Coast. I believe this is driven by speculation, largely from abroad, but don’t know what the answer is, unless like PEI you limit foreign ownership. It’s not likely the Realtors and Lawyers will jump on that bandwagon though.

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      • Judge Dredd07-05-12

        I think you should refund those foreign investors (buy-back your local real estate) then shut the door with a iron-curtain.

        Too bad your government is getting revenue for all these business transactions.

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  19. Alsa04-27-12

    Canada’s immigration policies work best when we take a mix of people from all over the world. This allows us to be multicultural. Replacing one relatively homogonous group with another relatively homogonous group isn’t diversity. If white people have to be counted as one whole then counting Chinese as one whole doesn’t seem very different. Saying that white people are all racist because some frame their concerns about property value and civic design around race isn’t much different than blaming all Chinese people for the practices of some Chinese people.

    Most people find it difficult when their surroundings change quickly. This may lead some people to recreate Vancouver in the image of the land they left, and it may make some long time citizens upset when their former surroundings are bulldozed and replaced with buildings of a different style. After several generations many white people don’t have another land to consider “home” and don’t have the option to go back to where their ancestors came from so they are going to be concerned about the ability of their children to afford homes here. Second, third, fourth generation Asian Canadian’s without massive wealth will share these concerns too. The Canadian government’s active recruitment abroad of new immigrants is nothing new. Now they want immigrant’s money and before they wanted their cheap labour.

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    • Alsa04-27-12

      Sorry my comment appears not to acknowledge that there already are second, third, fourth (and farther) generation Canadians of Asian descent. I should have worded it differently. I believe as the post suggests that people of different ethnic backgrounds are concerned about property values in Vancouver. I think the issue is less concerning for those who just arrived with enough money to purchase and who have another country and other options for their children. If these richer, newer arrivals stay here and find themselves poor compared to some other group that arrives en masse in the future, they may be concerned about their continued home-ownership prospects too. Some of them might even be racist about it. It’s just hard to imagine because it’s hypothetical due to international demographics.

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      • Judge Dredd04-29-12

        So your governments want home purchase tax revenue, construction jobs from the real estate market and the subsequent higher property tax revenue and all the economic benefits you get, BUT you also want to protect your local home-owner prospect?

        What exactly do you want? Capitalism, robbery, fraud or what?

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        • Judge Dredd04-29-12

          And slavery or investment scam like Madoff or death camps after you stole them foreigner’s money?

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    • Judge Dredd04-29-12

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      • Alsa05-06-12

        No I’m saying that most people don’t like it if their surroundings change really quickly. It causes conflict. If a heavily Chinese neighbourhood suddenly become transformed by another group the local Chinese residents might be worried about the changes too, especially if they couldn’t afford to live there anymore. I don’t think associating the government with all citizens is fair. The government or certain interest groups like real estate developers do want development and foreign real estate investment that doesn’t mean most people want it. Our government isn’t actually that democratic a business group with a lot of money has more power than most people.

        A lot of people can’t go back to where their ancestors came from because they have no right to citizenship there. I think this is the same for third or fourth or further generations of Asian-Canadians as well, or anyone from a country that doesn’t recognize dual citizenship. A lot of people have mixed ancestry and no clear country of origin. Over time people lose their ties to other countries.

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        • Judge Dredd05-09-12

          ” I don’t think associating the government with all citizens is fair. The government or certain interest groups like real estate developers do want development and foreign real estate investment that doesn’t mean most people want it. Our government isn’t actually that democratic a business group with a lot of money has more power than most people.”

          So you mean the left hand doesn’t know what the right hand is doing? And your government doesn’t represent you? How do you keep a straight face telling lies like that?

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          • Judge Dredd05-09-12

            And yet you enjoy all those government benefits and welfare, don’t you?

            You are proud of your own country, don’t you?

            You are so proud you have a better system than all those 3rd-world countries, don’t you?

            Give me a break! Do we look stupid to you?

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        • Judge Dredd05-09-12

          You can apply to emigrate back to Europe.

          You don’t have to rely on your race, white skin to get “Automatic” citizenship status.

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  20. JC05-05-12

    I’m Canadian born Chinese (born and raised in Vancouver). I don’t have a problem with people of Chinese decent…. my problem lies with the culture of those who come from China. People from china are arrogant, inconsiderate, dirty and just plain rude and obnoxious. I HATE them with a passion and I don’t hide it. I’ve had this discussion with my Caucasian & CBC friends and we ALL feel the same way. It’s NOT a racial matter – it’s a cultural matter.

    I hate what Vancouver has become. Everywhere you turn, you see how this city is enabling immigrants to come here and LIVE as if they are still in China!! Look at Richmond – is it Richmond, BC or Richmond, China?!?!?! When my parents immigrated here in the early 70’s, you were expected to become a Canadian (or else why come here)??? Yet fast forward to the present and these Chinamen just want to come to Vancouver and live their lives as if they never stepped a single food out of China. LEARN TO SPEAK ENGLISH you friggin idiots!!!! LEARN SOME DAMN MANNERS. LEARN TO BE CONSIDERATE. LEARN TO DRIVE. LEARN TO TURN YOUR DAMN ANNOYING VOICE DOWN A NOTCH! LEARN TO LINE UP! LEARN TO NOT SPIT AND HORK ALL OVER THE PLACE.

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  21. chinktalk05-05-12

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  22. Ronglimeng05-06-12

    “When your parents came to Canada in the 70’s, I am certain that they have encountered intolerance.”

    Don’t be so sure about that chinktalk.

    Actually, I was around back in the 70’s and white folks like me were behaving pretty well by then.

    For example, when the Hong Kong and Malaysian students rushed down at the end of a lecture to play grabby-grab with the prof’s handouts, hardly any of these students got lynched. The most common reaction was the simple “rolling the eyeballs upwards, and shaking the head from side to side”.

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  23. JC05-06-12

    chinktalk: When I travel to another country, I understand and respect their culture and customs. I expect the same of those who come to Canada. Have you ever heard of “monkey see, monkey do?” If those Chinamen would take a few seconds out of their day to see how others act and behave in Canada, maybe they wouldn’t be such a embarrassment.

    Hey, I don’t expect them to change overnight. The problem is that they won’t change and never will.

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  24. chinktalk05-10-12

    “”

    Editor: I am an international student in Langley Fundamental School. As part of our school’s community involvement, we are participating in the well-known 30-Hour Famine for World Vision Canada. In order to make this an effective fundraising event, participants are required to get sponsors who pledge their financial support for our efforts.

    I went door-to-door in my upscale Murrayville neighbourhood for pledges. Some politely said “no, I am sorry,” others gave generously. One reaction however has prompted me to write this letter.

    I knocked on the door and an older lady opened an upstairs patio door and looked out. She saw me standing there, and before I could even make my pitch for the donation said “No, we don’t want any.” I could have accepted that, but she then turned back into the house and in a voice loud enough for me to hear said to someone inside, “It’s just some Chinese girl and she can’t even speak English.”

    My jaw dropped as I heard these words. I have been here for three years learning English. How could she be so judgmental? How could she be so racist?

    In the three years I have been here, I knew to expect those sidelong glances one always gets for being a different colour, but I have never been so stereotyped before. She knew I could hear what she was saying and she said it anyway. I turned, and in tears, retreated back to my homestay family’s house.

    They asked what was wrong and my tears flowed again. This is Canada. The land of opportunity, diversity, multiculturalism, and I thought acceptance. Clearly there are some who really have no understanding of these concepts.

    To the lady on Southridge Crescent who treated me this way, I offer this small piece of advice. Please be more careful what you say to someone at your door.

    We may have different coloured skin and we may have a bit more difficulty pronouncing the words of the English language, but we have feelings and words like yours are very hurtful. Please don’t treat strangers this way.

    Name withheld by request
    “”

    http://www.langleytimes.com/opinion/letters/150518055.html

    We as Canadians should hold ourselves to higher standards that are our Canadian values, surprisingly well defined by this letter writer who happened to be in Canada for only 3 years.

    “This is Canada. The land of opportunity, diversity, multiculturalism, and I thought acceptance.” – she said….I think she thinks of Canada as a great country and Canadians upholding Canadian values like tolerance.

    We as Canadians cannot let her down.

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    • Judge Dredd05-11-12

      What is she complaining anyway? No one told her this has always been a white society?

      She was defrauded? She was “baited” by so-called land of opportunity, diversity, multiculturalism, and I thought acceptance, but she got hate, abuse, and racism instead?

      That’s too bad. She don’t like it here. Go back to her own country.

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    • Judge Dredd05-12-12

      Man awarded $15,000 for wrongful arrest

      http://www.vancouversun.com/health/awarded+wrongful+arrest/6611531/story.html

      The human right condition is disgusting here.

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  25. Ronglimeng05-12-12

    Chinktalk:

    I am immediately suspicious of “Name withheld by request”.

    Even for a person studying our language for three years, the prose is too good. Maybe she got it polished by someone? Maybe she got it written by someone else? Maybe the story is 2nd or 3rd hand?

    Anyway, there are a couple of things that need to be taken away from this tale.

    First that even in an upscale neighbourhood (such as the writer is possibly used to living?) you need to have a thick skin when going door-to-door asking for money.

    Secondly, if you want to look hard enough for them. you can still find old-fashioned attitudes in unexpected places.

    Thirdly, the correct response for a self-confident person in such a circumstance is laughter, not tears.

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    • Judge Dredd05-12-12

      “if you want to look hard enough for them. you can still find old-fashioned attitudes in unexpected places.”

      You mean they are everywhere, hiding in the woodwork?

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      • Ronglimeng05-14-12

        No, not everywhere.

        Maybe in the woodwork – but the expensive oak as well as the cheap pine trim.

        I got the impression that “Name Withheld by Request” was especially chagrined to be treated that way in her “upscale” neighbourhood.

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        • judge dredd05-14-12

          not everywhere, but both rich and poor people think like that? the expensive oak as well as the cheap pine trim

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  26. chinktalk05-13-12

    “”I am immediately suspicious of “Name withheld by request”. “”

    You mean like “Ronglimeng”

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    • Ronglimeng05-14-12

      You mean like “Ronglimeng” ?

      No.

      I took the excerpt that you provided as being a letter to the editor of a newspaper. Usually writers of these public letters provide their real names, and thus have more authority than an anonymous forum name like “Ronglimeng” or “chinktalk”. But when a person writes a letter to the editor of a newspaper and requests his/her name be withheld, then I think that person is trying to have it both ways.

      Let me tell you a story about offended dignity… There I was last September, in the bathroom of my aunt’s Shanghai apartment, sitting on the throne, my pants around my ankles, my elbows on my knees, doing my business. Suddenly there is a loud Shanghai conversation (well, okay, they’re all loud) outside the door between the ladies of my family and a strange male voice. It turns out that he was a Hongkou District water meter reader and what he said to them was “It’s okay, it’s okay, we’re both men !” So in he comes and leans right over my shoulder to read the meter on the pipe behind the toilet.

      My first impulse was to be offended, but then I remembered the words of G. Gordon Liddy (slightly modified for this situation): “That’s okay, you go ahead. It’s your job. Just don’t ask me to go to your place and read your meter when you’re taking a dump !”

      My point is that when there is a supposed loss of dignity involved, it is usually happening in an opposite way to what you might think.

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      • judge dredd05-14-12

        I thought name withheld us to protect that person from retribution from that white family, now that the case is publicized?

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        • Ronglimeng05-18-12

          Nahh, I think it would have more to do with our door-to-door canvasser wanting to conceal her fragile emotional shell.

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  27. Judge Dredd05-15-12

    Chinese firm’s Canadian contracts raise security fears

    Barred by the U.S. and Australia, tech giant Huawei
    makes inroads in Canada

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/05/15/pol-weston-huawei-china-telecom-security-canada.html

    Here we go, again!

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  28. Richman BC05-16-12

    Hidden due to low comment rating. Click here to see.

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  29. Judge Dredd05-21-12

    Dominant East Asians face workplace harassment, says study

    When they don’t conform to common racial stereotypes, such as being non-dominant, even people of East Asian descent are “unwelcome and unwanted by their co-workers,” says a new paper from the University of Toronto’s Rotman School of Management.

    http://phys.org/news/2012-05-dominant-east-asians-workplace.html

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    • Ronglimeng05-24-12

      Well Judge, I’ve worked backwards 2 steps from your post to the PHYS ORG (whatever that is) reference to the Rotman School of Business report of the paper. But the paper itself? Sorry, not directly available

      Without reading the paper it leaves me suspicious of dubious methodology. How could the author really measure these attitudes ?

      There is a quote from the author about “…a woman or a minority”. Suddenly we are talking about women too. Maybe the author has an axe to grind ?

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      • Judge Dredd05-24-12

        This is a direct link from University of Toronto:
        http://www.rotman.utoronto.ca/news/detail.asp?ID=655

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        • tUCC05-25-12

          Thanks for the link @Judge. Cripes… whites can’t handle dominant Asians, eh?

          Myself, the UGLY Chinese Canadian– I grew up on the east side, as a street kid, and had earned a reputation of being a scrapper.

          So any clown who can’t handle a China boy like myself bossing them around, can kiss my butt.

          And to all those soft spoke subservient quiet Asians, your kow towing will ensure that the stereotypical houseboy image will be entrenched in society.

          What Asian North American sorts can use… are more loud mouth obnoxious bananas… ;-)

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  30. blueeyes06-01-12

    You guys are such babies. Cry cry cry. Get on with your lives. No wonder there in hostility against you racist pricks. Chinese are the most racist people I have met. Mainly the Vancouver assholes. Enjoy your small penis!

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  31. chinktalk06-02-12

    Ronglimeng, what do you think of blueeyes’ comment?

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  32. Ronglimeng06-03-12

    Well, chinktalk, I would have ignored it but since you ask:

    Firstly, there are two instances of vulgarity; one directed toward the readers. Writing words like that is like shooting yourself in the foot if you’re trying to make a point. I’m offended.

    Secondly, there is the statement that “Chinese are the most racist people I have met”. That statement is very interesting to me, but the idea is not developed or supported. I’m disappointed.

    But you know what bothers me the most ? “blueeyes” should have used the plural of “penis”. I’m annoyed.

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    • Judge Dredd06-05-12

      Do you agree with that statement, “we are such babies. Cry cry cry”?

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      • Ronglimeng06-06-12

        Ahhh…[eyes searching upwards, then returning downwards]…..no, I don’t agree with it.

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        • Judge Dredd06-08-12

          We won’t mind if you vote along racial line …
          This is North America, after all.

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    • chinktalk06-09-12

      “But you know what bothers me the most ? “blueeyes” should have used the plural of “penis”. I’m annoyed”

      —————–

      Ronglimeng, I am afraid blueeyes’ sentence is correct, we the average males would have only one penis, so using the singular is correct.

      So the phrase “Enjoy your small penis!” is grammatically correct, if males were to possess two or more penises than the sentence should be “Enjoy your small penises!”

      People with a penis and a virgina are called hermaphrodites, what are people with two penises called?

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      • Ronglimeng06-14-12

        Using the singular is correct ? Well, “chinktalk”, I have to disagree. “blueeyes” is talking about a group of people (“you guys”, ”you racist pricks”, “the Vancouver assholes”). So describing a group of people each with a single organ, you would need to use the plural form.

        What are people with two penises called? I don’t know.
        What do you call men with 5 penises? I don’t know that either, but their underwear fits like a glove !

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  33. chinktalk06-08-12

    “…[eyes searching upwards, then returning downwards]…..”

    What class!!!!

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  34. Ronglimeng06-09-12

    “This is North America, after all.”

    And what is so special about North America in this regard ?

    chinktalk : “What class!!!!”

    Ronglimeng [beaming gratefully]: Thanks, chinktalk, that means a lot – coming from you !!!!

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    • Judge Dredd06-13-12

      “And what is so special about North America in this regard ?”

      85% to 90% of population is white, and they want to maintain their absolute power and vested interest by abusing the rights of the minorities.

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  35. chinktalk06-18-12

    “blueeyes” is talking about a group of people (“you guys”, ”you racist pricks”, “the Vancouver assholes”). ”

    Ronglimeng, that group of people (Chinese males) have only one penis each.

    So when you refer to a group of people, “you guys”, “you racist pricks”, the plural is used, but when you talk about a group of people each with only one penis, then “Enjoy your small penis” is correct.

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  36. No one in particular05-16-13

    To all those who don’t like Canada the way it is now —–

    This is democracy at its best, if you don’t like where you are, you can always move away. If you like the old way of life where your ancestors came from, go back to where they came from. Stop complaining, it is a changing world, only those who can keep up with the changes will survive.

    Other than the natives, no one has a claim to Canada, period.

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