Almost two decades ago, Vancouver’s Chinatown, then a vibrant and lively place was alerted to the question of – is the addition of a new giant supermarket a good thing for the community?
The answer from all the mom and pop shops, and from almost all of the people who shopped, ate, and worked in Chinatown, was a resounding NO.
City planning department held info meetings describing this large “anchor tenant”. People were told by the city that a giant Asian themed supermarket would be a boon to the old historic area. The city informed its citizens, the new complex was going to bring in large numbers of visitors and tourists to Chinatown. A number of us attended the “community meetings”. I recall questioning the rationale for placing a mega supermarket at the edge of Chinatown, as did my fellow board members at the Dr Sun Yat-sen garden society. We saw our historic community at the cross roads of either being re-energized with a new generation of people and activities, or fade into just a fond memory.
The city presented the scheme and addressed our concerns of traffic issues and assured everyone that the project was within the existing zoning regulations. The city was confident that the giant store would be a magnet. The city planners gushed with enthusiasm along the words of “It would help bring people to Chinatown!”
Vancouver’s Chinatown Merchants’ Association supported the project, and the giant grocery store opened it’s doors in 1996. Shortly afterwards, Vancouver’s Chinatown ebbed onto life support with all sorts of revitalization efforts.
It’s now been over 15 years since the giant Asian supermarket “T & T” has been in Vancouver’s Chinatown. T & T’s website to this day still proudly declares the fact that:
“In 1996, T & T opened its third store in Vancouver Chinatown and brought a modernized retail operation to the traditional mom & pop retail territory.”
Victoria BC, said NO to mega supermarket
The city of Victoria, a number of years back, was also asked if a T & T megamarket could locate in their old Chinatown… the oldest chinatown in Canada. The merchants and families of old Chinatown stood up and said NO to T & T.
Today, Victoria’s Chinatown is still a thriving destination– a place that respects its past and a delight to visit.
Contrast the two Chinatowns. Vancouver’s Chinatown is dead.
For some recent photos we took of Vancouver’s Chinatown, have a look at our posting here (Vancouver Chinatown: ARMPIT of North American Chinatowns)
Do a google street view walk, and count the boarded up shops and stores. Don’t take this blog’s word for it, have a visit and see how far Vancouver’s Chinatown has gone downhill. It’s painful to hear former mom and pop businesses lament about the lack of vision by Vancouver’s city planners and by Chinatown leadership.
Los Angeles’s Chinatown is now currently fighting the arrival of Wal-mart into their historic community. The LA Times report:
L.A. council proposal could keep Wal-Mart grocery out of Chinatown
By David Zahniser and Shan Li,
Los Angeles Times
March 22, 2012
L.A. City Councilman Ed Reyes’ proposed law would temporarily block building permits for ‘formula retail’ stores in Chinatown. One critic calls it a ’sneak attack’ against Wal-Mart.
Four weeks after Wal-Mart announced plans to open a grocery store in Chinatown, Los Angeles City Council members have proposed a law that would block an array of chain businesses from opening in the neighborhood.
A temporary ordinance sought by Councilman Ed Reyeswould prohibit building permits from being issued for new “formula retail” stores — those that have standardized facades, color schemes, decor, employee uniforms and merchandise.
Wal-Mart is seeking to open a 33,000-square-foot market and pharmacy in a vacant ground-floor commercial space at Cesar Chavez and Grand avenues. But the plan has come under fire from labor and advocacy groups that oppose the company’s wage scale, benefit plans and nonunion workforce.
Reyes said his proposal, scheduled for a vote Friday, would safeguard Chinatown’s small businesses. He said he may rewrite it so that it also addresses the increased traffic that is expected once Wal-Mart opens.
“My intent is to protect the character of Chinatown,” said Reyes, who represents that neighborhood near Dodger Stadium.
… please visit this link for the rest of the LA Times article: http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-walmart-chinatown-20120322,0,5804076.story
But it may be too late.
This morning the Rafu Shimpo, Los Angeles’s Japanese Daily news reports:
WAL-MART GETS PERMIT TO BUILD IN CHINATOWN
City Council votes 13-0 for ordinance to block large retail chains in the historic neighborhood.
RAFU STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS
Assemblymember Mike Eng speaks in opposition to Wal-Mart’s plan to open a 33,000-square-foot market in Chinatown during a press conference at City Hall on Friday morning.(Image courtesy of MARIO G. REYES/Rafu Shimpo)
The L.A. City Council voted unanimously Friday to draft a law that would effectively ban major retail chains from opening in Chinatown, but would not block a controversial Wal-Mart grocery store that received final approval late Thursday.
The 13-0 vote directed the Planning Department and City Attorney’s Office to draft a temporary ordinance to block so-called formula retail stores, stores that have standardized facades, decor, signage, or a trademark or servicemark.
The ordinance was changed on Friday to apply only to businesses that are larger than 20,000 square feet.
The motion drafted by Councilmember Ed Reyes, who represents Chinatown, had been widely viewed as a move to stop Wal-Mart from opening a 33,000-square-foot scaled-down “neighborhood market” in an existing building containing senior citizen apartments on the northwest corner of Cesar Chavez and Grand avenues.
However, officials with the Department of Building and Safety told the council Wal-Mart had been issued its final tenant improvement permit about 4:30 p.m. on Thursday, clearing a final hurdle for Wal-Mart to open and shielding the store from the proposed ordinance.
The move was supported by the Chinatown Business Improvement District and a handful of residents, who argued Chinatown already has four family-owned grocery stores and that major retail chains would destroy the neighborhood’s unique character.
Opponents of the ordinance, including the Los Angeles Area and Chinatown chambers of commerce, said the ordinance would have a chilling effect on businesses interested in moving to the city.
Once it is drafted, the ordinance will need the approval of the Planning Commission and the full City Council.
During a press conference prior to the vote, approximately 50 opponents of Wal-Mart gathered on the steps of City Hall to protest the store’s expansion plans. The group says that 3 supermarkets, dozens of smaller markets, 12 bakeries and 4 pharmacies would be put into direct competition with Wal-Mart.
“Wal-Mart has claimed that small business like mine will actually gain sales but my family and I don’t agree,” said Chris Cheung, owner of Wonder Bakery.
Cheung noted that his family has operated the bakery on Broadway since 1985 and also contributes to the community through donations to Alpine Recreational Center and other institutions.
“Wal-Mart is proposing one-stop shopping meaning customers will buy groceries, bakery goods there. Our sales at our shop will decline because Wal-Mart will offer a price that will undercut us and sell the same products as we do.”
The protesters were joined by Rep. Judy Chu (D-San Gabriel) and Assemblymember Mike Eng (D-San Gabriel), who added their support for the temporary ordinance.
please visit Rafu Shimpo’s website for the rest of the news: http://rafu.com/news/2012/03/wal-mart-gets-permit-to-build-in-chinatown/







thanks! this is a good insight.
Did you know that Vancouver city planning just commissioned an American company to undertake a “Save Vancouver’s Chinatown” for $3/4 million dollars?
Apprently the einsteins in the city figure they hire an outsider . Wow. Another study!!! Isnt this the 18th save Chinatown study in less than 10 years? And why do the city always hire outsiders? Last time it was that german woman architect with her grandiose 40 storey towers! Then the 6 white planning design companies. Why cant city hall hire local experts?????
RIP VAncouver chinatown. Please L.A., do not let walmart into your city.
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Thanks for the stories David.
I would say NO to any mega markets in any Chinatown. Why go to Chinatown, when you can drive into a parking lot, and get your Chinese groceries. On occasion, I do drive to T&T in East Vancouver, or Canada Superstore to purchase tofu, wonton wrappings, Joong and Chinese canned vegetables, etc. All the residents of Strathcona, False Creek East, and Yaletown, no longer need to go to Chinatown for fresh groceries – they can shop late nights at both T&T as well as Costco – both beside GM Place & BC Place stadiums in Vancouver. Chinatown cannot survive solely on seasonal tourism. It has to remain vital on many levels, including produce and drygoods. This is what is developing now in Yaletown and Creekside (former Olympic Village) – the daily walkby pedestrian traffic.
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You’re welcome Todd. Thanks for posting your thoughts.
Supermarkets like T&T and Walmart are not designed to encourage community building… these places are sterile and faceless.
Old Chinatown with it’s diversity of products, of ideas, of individual personalities, of age groups… along with the many places to socialize, gave life. A city must create these opportunities for people to interact and socialize. Walking up and down the streets of old Chinatown, enabled many to meet, greet and experience life.
All of this street life activity was taken away when city hall permitted the giant supermarket into Chinatown. Now, instead of walking and enjoying the fresh air, physical activity and choices that were once available… we now get veggies wrapped in plastic bags, cloned meat portions, and loss of individuality. Vancouver’s T&T mega market could be in downtown Hong Kong for all we know, and there’d be no difference.
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City Vancouver identifies the following people responsible for Chinatown (responsible for its demise):
Jessica Chen-Adams, Senior Planner
Helen Ma, Planning Assistant
Wendy Au, City Managers office
These are the persons who killed your Chinatown
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The first two, Jessica and Helen… no longer works at city hall.
Wendy Au will be retiring, unless they also fire her too.
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The Jews have their synogogues, the Sihks have their temples, the Muslims have their mosques, the Christians have their churches, the Chinese used to have their chinatowns.
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“Almost two decades ago, Vancouver’s Chinatown, then a vibrant and lively place”
Why? Because there weren’t too many chinese shops outside chinatown? People have no choice but to go there? Immigrants’ money?
Comparing T&T supermarket to Walmart, how stupid can you be?
Do you know why people don’t want to shop at Chinatown?
Did you ask those druggie white bums in Downtown Eastside?
Hot debate. What do you think?
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Haven’t Chinatowns across North America really outlived their usefulness?
They seem to be to be just Chinese ghettos jam-packed with questionable restaurants, weird medicine shops, and dirty grocery stores. Even the name is old fashioned: “Chinatown” – the same word construction as ”Chinaman”.
Whenever you see photos of “vibrant” Chinatowns in tourist brochures, the photos are always taken at night to showcase the neon lighting of the advertising signs. People might reasonably assume that the Chinese invented neon lighting. By day, the areas look not so hot.
For Chinese New Year preparations, we drove 300 km to shop at a T&T in Mississauga. People we know, don’t like the slightly higher prices, but prefer a clean, modern, well-lit grocery store to those other places that were dark, dirty, smelly, and basically unheated. Forget “atmosphere”, Chinese people are as modern as any other group.
Parking at a T&T or other modern Asian supermarkets, is better too – well marked and more spacious. That’s very important when there are a lot of Chinese drivers around !
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“They seem to be to be just Chinese ghettos jam-packed with questionable restaurants, weird medicine shops, and dirty grocery stores. Even the name is old fashioned: “Chinatown” – the same word construction as ”Chinaman”.”
That’s how everyone feels about it, except the Ugly Canada-born-chinese country hicks here.
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@Ronglimeng
“Parking at a T&T or other modern Asian supermarkets, is better too – well marked and more spacious. That’s very important when there are a lot of Chinese drivers around !”
True! God… Just love these stereotypes. Because it’s the sad truth.
PS. We now await for all the cries of “foul!” into our blog’s IN basket…
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I am from Toronto and this is actually the first time I have every read your blog. It’s very interesting to hear this debate. I have lived in Canada most of my life and I don’t speak Cantonese or any other dialect. I AM A BANANA. I lived close to Chinatown in TO. and I did enjoy the variety of shops, late night restaurants after clubbing, or finding the cheapest pair of flip flops around. But I have to admit that the streets were extra dirty (combination of vegetable scraps, boxes, cooking grease and just plain garbage ). I especially didn’t enjoy weekends when the streets were just rammed with bodies and produce and carts. Old ladies selling home grown green onions on boxes beside each other right into the intersection.
I have since moved into the suburbs, yet Toronto is sprawling and where I live seems to to be “Chinatown North”. It is new and I suppose more modern. There are a few T&Ts around as well as other large independent grocery stores and your “mom & pop” shops. I enjoy shopping in a big clean environment where I know the food is always being restock. Sure in Chinatown I could buy 15 peaches or $2. But I would have to eat them today because tomorrow they are bad. What good is that?
I am sure that Toronto Chinatown has lost some of its charm. Old shops change hands, new money, new people. that’s life. Things change.
Toronto is experiencing a housing boom I
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Oops….continued.
I have never been to BC so forgive my ignorance.
Toronto is experiencing a housing boom, so is Vancouver from what I hear. Are the new homes being built only in the burbs? Are there any developments proposed for the surrounding areas? It only a matter of time before people start moving into Chinatown because it is cheap. No?
The last time I was in My Chinatown, a new posh loft was just built in Kensington Market. (around the corner) The renters and shoppers hated it because it raised the price of housing and .food. The landlords and store owners loved it, because it increased the $$$. It also brought in new people to the area and a new vibe. It may not be the Chinatown that I grew up in, but there would always be an element there. Chinese are relocating all over the world. And in some areas established a dominant presence, changing what was to what is.
I feel bad for you Vancouver, but you can’t expect it be what it was. You can only hope that part of town can make a resurgence.
Mike in TO.
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I would’ve thought that the main reason Vancouver’s Chinatown is dying is because Richmond (a local suburb) is really becoming the #1 destination for Asian immigrants.
Richmond is the real authentic Asian experience, not Chinatown. I personally find Vancouver’s Chinatown slightly gimmicky and geared more towards tourists than Asian residents.
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