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Maybe time to wind up this Blog

16 Jul Posted by David in Education, Event, Opinion | 182 comments
Maybe time to wind up this Blog
 

Hello all,

As some of you have noticed, there has not been many new posts on this blog, the UGLY Chinese Canadian. What initially started out as an outlet for me to vent, slowly evolved into an assortment of  odd news pieces and material shared from  a number of people – artists, writers, activists and politicos.

I made a number of wonderful new friends, including a Japanese-Canadian grandma who hailed from Laval, Quebec. She used the name “Umeboshi” on my blog, and she was witty, caring and full of Canadian pride. I was so sad to learn she passed away (a couple of years back), and to this day, I miss her wit, encouragement and support.

I didn’t think my blog would reach out to the community the way it did.

There was one reader who shared her sadness and darkness with me. Somehow, this blog managed to connect her up with someone else, and her talks of suicide and bitterness disappeared. It was really nice to have her write to me, thanking me for saving her life.

I also have to thank my readers.

One astute reader (you know who you are), recognized the comments/ words from another reader, and saw it as signs of depression/ mental disorder. He wrote to me, for permission to contact the other reader. The other reader permitted me to provide contact info, and the two connected up. The concerned reader had saw himself in the other person’s words. For he too, had depression years back, and was successfully treated for his condition. More important, he informed me that mental illness was something that was not a topic openly discussed in the Asian/ Chinese communities. He reached out, and I made two new friends.

A number of you contributed stories and content to this blog – and helped to make it more interesting. Especially during election time. The visitors to this blog during electioneering efforts, be it civic, provincial or federal, was evident in the blog stat numbers. The number of readers would increase 20 to 30 fold. At one time, reaching over 300,000!

I also found it fascinating that universities and professors would contact me for permission to re-print some of the content on this blog. I think there are around 22 universities who’ve “included” some of this blog material into their teaching curriculum. I guess they found a banana’s perspective on multi-culturalism and Asian-North American history interesting.

In closing, I have to apologize to the many people who’ve written to me – for media interview requests, for our blog to showcase their creative work ( youtube vids, music, books, art), for opinions, etc.  I’m just burned out, and can’t answer every request.

Anyways, I’ll leave this blog up on the Net. I’ll post the odd item now and then, but won’t be doing any heavy duty posting.

Many thanks and until next time,

David

  1. Judge Dredd07-16-12

    “I also found it fascinating that universities and professors would contact me for permission to re-print some of the content on this blog. I think there are around 22 universities who’ve “included” some of this blog material into their teaching curriculum. I guess they found a banana’s perspective on multi-culturalism and Asian-North American history interesting.”

    For someone to get tenure track job?

    So, who will approve NEW replies here?

    Did CSIS finally come get you or something?

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  2. tUCC07-16-12

    Hi Judge… oh, there’ll be someone around to moderate and approve the comments.

    :-)

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  3. chinktalk07-17-12

    David, thanks for your effort and time put into this blog to allow us to vent our views.

    But it is a pity to see the Ugly Banana go the way of our friend Suzanna Ng’s ChineseInVancouver which was closed, in my opinion, mainly due to her balanced views on China and her support for the Chinese side of the story in Canada.

    Perhaps she was getting too close to the truth.

    I guess the Chinese voice will be silenced since you are about the only social media outlet for Chinese Canadians in Canada. I would start my own blog but I don’t have the resources nor the expertise.

    Maybe Judge Dredd or Ronglimeng will be able to start one since the three of us are about the only ones on this board not afraid to stand up and defend our positions.

    But there are many, many interesting and enlightening comments as well.

    I come to realize that freedom of expression has its limits.

    There appears to be a certain fear – people swiftly closing shop – but fear of what?

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  4. Krista Li07-18-12

    I link this blog to my course on the Chinese in Canada at the University of Alberta every time I teach it. And I admit to being a reader rather than a poster. This blog is more valuable than any textbook I’ve seen so far. Students love discussing it, I love reading it, and the material presented here often winds up in my lectures, every day conversation, and lesson plans! Keep posting, for goodness sake!

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    • Judge Dredd07-18-12

      “Students love discussing it, I love reading it, and the material presented here often winds up in my lectures,”

      Tell us about those discussions …

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  5. save the uglychinesecanadian blog07-18-12

    This is one of the most interesting blogs on multicultural politics and a real honest commentary.

    Im not going to be happy to see this blog go. Many of us use it as a barometer on political issues in the chinese community. In fact this blog is one of the most widely referenced blogs in the bc provincial liberal party. (I think the bc ndp reads it too!) You know who I am… *hint* thinkof the 60’s aeronautics program! So You know who I am. Yes, it’s true that many of us in the provincial party poke you for info.
    Thanks for the many great stories, and we hope you manage to keep this blog alive.

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    • Judge Dredd07-19-12

      [quote]“Many of us use it as a barometer on political issues in the chinese community.”[end_quote]

      No wonder the level of politics is so unsophisticated” in this country.

      These bananas hardly know anything about what the Chinese community (a.k.a. immigrants) thinks, where they are, what people are doing, how they feel about Canada and stuff.

      They are a one-trick pony. Everything centers around “white people do racism to them bananas, yet they wish they were white.”

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  6. Ronglimeng07-19-12

    @tUCC:

    For the last few years checking the tUCC has been a part of my daily routine. So it was tough to read your post that “maybe” it was time to wind things up. In spite of the “maybe” it does sound like you’re pretty close to making up your mind.

    Still, everything must come to an end. I can appreciate that you might have grown tired of this. To do the job properly you must feel stressed to get on the site, clean-up the spam (I know there is a lot), and then ‘moderate” and put up people’s posts quickly.

    It’s kind of selfish for us to ask you to continue running this for us but if these posts of support and appreciation can cause you to re-think the idea of winding up, then I’d be happy.

    Can you tell us how much of your time this blog takes ? How much does it cost you ? Could other people possibly share the work ?

    Regardless of what you decide, thanks so much.

    荣力猛

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  7. Charlene07-19-12

    I’m sorry to hear your closing down this blog. Weve lost a strong voice and great shit disturber. What I *love* about this blog is that its funny, truthful and provocative. Please reconsider. Yours is one of the only few blogs that offers an honest side to issues that are difficult to discuss. Thank you for your many years of blunt and frank discussions.

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  8. tUCC07-20-12

    Thanks everyone… For your thoughts and kind words.

    I’m not sure of what to make of this blog. It’s served its purpose long ago…allowing me to point out how wrong it was for a group of new Chinese Canadians to usurp the goodwill of our elected leaders and lay claim to a historic blemish … the Chinese head tax and exclusion act. These new arrivals to Canada did not have the moral authority to speak on behalf nor accept “compensation” efforts by our government. But they did. And it was wrong.

    Canada is far too a generous nation. We assume everyone who becomes a Canadian, will adopt and practice fairness and respect. Fat chance. It’s not going to happen…we all know it.

    But nothing is going to change with my constant whining. We’ve got to follow up with real ideas and examples.

    To that end, I’m going to do my best to show why cultural diversity and harmony is good, and is vital for progress. There is so much good that can come out of the fusion of ideas and cultures. We’ve just got to be careful that we don’t allow Pollyanna politicians with sycophants blindside us with a syrupy embracement of multiculturalism without truly understanding its upside. Because it’s this whole multicultural industry that will drive a wedge between peoples and cultures.

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  9. Judge Dredd07-20-12

    “To point out how wrong it was for a group of new Chinese Canadians to usurp the goodwill of our elected leaders and lay claim to a historic blemish … the Chinese head tax and exclusion act. These new arrivals to Canada did not have the moral authority to speak on behalf nor accept “compensation” efforts by our government. But they did. And it was wrong.”

    Let me get this straight …

    You are bitter and jealous because white people apologized to the new Chinese immigrants, due to their superior economic power and numbers, instead of you Canada-born-chinese who had been perpetually imprisoned in chinatown (How many of you, CBCs, are there in total?)

    You feel like this because you really, really wish you would get the respect of white people, as equals. This being the next best thing to the impossible dream–you wish you were white.

    I have met some new, recent Japanese immigrants. Do you think they ‘care’ whether white people apologize to the internment of Japanese during WWII? What do you think?

    “To follow up with real ideas and examples.

    To that end, I’m going to do my best to show why cultural diversity and harmony is good, and is vital for progress.

    Because it’s this whole multicultural industry that will drive a wedge between peoples and cultures.

    You are contradicting yourself here.

    Didn’t white people “teach” you to fit in? And when you are begging for hand-outs from white people and their system, you gotta speak their language, dude. Haven’t you figured this out by now?

    Re-read what you wrote:
    http://www.uglychinesecanadian.com/?p=4073

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  10. Canuckistan07-21-12

    Judge dredd…it’s obvious u don’t read very well. Read the post again. The guy is differentiating himself from the multicultural industries. And reading the posts on this blog don’t make it seem the author wants to be white ; only informing the judge dredds of the world that there are those Asians who embrace all cultures and request newbies to embrace Canadian values. It’s time you do too mr dredd!

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    • Judge Dredd07-21-12

      What mulitcultural industries? I have some ideas, but let’s hear yours first.

      “Those asians who embrace all cultures and request newbies to embrace Canadian values?”

      What Canadian values are you talking about? I have some ideas, too. But I want to hear your version.

      The part about “Asians who embrace all cultures”? You mean the mainstream white culture in North America should embrace other cultures? Respect other cultures? Fat-chance! Don’t you bananas know it by now, having been grown up here all your life?

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  11. chinktalk07-21-12

    @ugly, sorry for highjacking your response here but I just need to put my 2 cents in…….

    @Judge Dredd

    “You are bitter and jealous because white people apologized to the new Chinese immigrants, due to their superior economic power and numbers, instead of you Canada-born-chinese who had been perpetually imprisoned in chinatown (How many of you, CBCs, are there in total?)”

    I agree with your point and I must point out that before the arrival of the Chinese from Hong Kong, China, Taiwan, etc, native Chinese Canadians were happy to have a steady job, a house and a car and don’t expect anything more. That was the dream of the Chinese in Canada since the 1800s and remain static till the 70s when the influx of new immigrants arrived.

    And then the Chinese from Hong Kong, China, Taiwan, etc have catapulted the Chinese presence into the mainstream society a century fast forward.

    The Chinese from Hong Kong, China, Taiwan etc never experienced the Chinese Exclusion Acts or Head Taxes. They never experienced that they don’t get services in certain areas; that they don’t get hired for certain jobs; that they cannot vote; that there are parts of town that they cannot buy a house; or hear stories about riots against Chinese people from their parents; or that you cannot get a loan; or see people come up to you and put their fingers at the end of their eyes and call you names; or you are not allowed to play pee wee baseball eventhough you are a good player; ……………

    Because of the new immigrants, native Chinese Canadians are able to have higher expectations, and I personally appreciate that.

    But I wish that the new Chinese Canadians would have empathy to what native Chinese Canadians went through and understand that while we appreciate their contributions, they should understand what we went through.

    “”You feel like this because you really, really wish you would get the respect of white people, as equals. This being the next best thing to the impossible dream–you wish you were white.”"

    We don’t want to be white, we just want to be Canadians.

    “”"I have met some new, recent Japanese immigrants. Do you think they ‘care’ whether white people apologize to the internment of Japanese during WWII? What do you think?”"”

    Very true, just like the Jews of South Africa don’t really have the same feelings about the Holocaust than European Jews mainly because they were not affected personally by it.

    That is the same reason why recent Chinese immigrants from China, Hong Kong, Taiwan, Singapore, Malaysia, etc don’t understand the trials and tribulations that native Chinese Canadians and low wah kews went through.

    I recently met a very intelligent 22 year old university student from China who has been in Canada for only 16 months, her English is quite good and she’s attained 3.8 GPA. She asked me what does “chink chong wang wang” mean because she said she heard someone talking like that to her.

    This young pretty young woman grew up in a middle class one child family in China and no one called her “chink chong wang wang” in China so she didn’t have any negative attachments to it. But for those of us who grew up with not being admitted to the pee wee team because you are Chinese or getting beat up because you are Chinese then the words “chink chong wang wang” have ingrained painful feelings.

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  12. Judge Dredd07-21-12

    “The Chinese from Hong Kong, China, Taiwan etc never experienced the Chinese Exclusion Acts or Head Taxes. They never experienced that they don’t get services in certain areas; that they don’t get hired for certain jobs; that they cannot vote; that there are parts of town that they cannot buy a house; or hear stories about riots against Chinese people from their parents; or that you cannot get a loan; or see people come up to you and put their fingers at the end of their eyes and call you names; or you are not allowed to play pee wee baseball eventhough you are a good player; ……………”

    I have friend who came in the 1980’s. They got all that treatment back then. Especially the part about white people came up to them on the street and call names and stuff …

    “She asked me what does “chink chong wang wang” mean because she said she heard someone talking like that to her.”

    That’s the difference I talk about it. You people grew up in this white regime. Our worldview is different from your worldview–you wish you were Canadian, which is another word for Being White.

    And that 22-year-old-university-student-from-China is not subjugated by White people and their system unlike you CBC folks here, because why? You need hand-outs from white people while she doesn’t.

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  13. chinktalk07-26-12

    “You feel like this because you really, really wish you would get the respect of white people, as equals. This being the next best thing to the impossible dream–you wish you were white”

    There were times in my life that when I look in the mirror I was shocked that I didn’t see a Clint Eastwood or a Sean Connery. I wanted to be so much to fit in with my white friends that I started referring to Chinese people as them and me and my friends as us.

    So my father wasn’t too impressed when he heard me telling my friends that “those Chinese people wouldn’t understand”; I was pointing at my parents.

    I was trying hard to clease myself of my Chineseness; I refused to utter a word of Chinese; I asssociated with only white people and dated only white girls; at one point I contemplated legally changing my last name to “Martin” because there are English and French people with that last name, a truly Canadian name, I thought.

    Deep inside, I was silently screaming out that hey guys I am one of you, can’t you see that?

    Over time, reality do set in. I was smacked in the face time and again of the reminder that I am Chinese sometimes in the cruelest way possible, and by my own people, the white people.

    My cousin Simon who is 2 years older than me and he speaks fluent Toisanese because he’s been a cook all his life and he hangs around with other Chinese cooks and he’s always got this quizzical look on his face when he meets me and he laments that what the fuck is wrong with you, you are a fucking mess, look at me, I don’t have any problems with white people………well, that’s because he dosen’t hang around or associate with white people.

    Simon could never understand why I find Cheech and Chong funny.

    Why I wanted to save the whales and why I read Martin Luther King Jr.

    But Simon was right – I was a fucking mess…………….

    In a way, China’s rise gave me an anchor. Finally something that I can be proud of by association – something that I have absolutely no connections with since I have no connections to the Chinese people in China and China’s accomplishments have nothing to do with me; but since the white people kept on reminding me that I am Chinese then maybe by default I can take comfort in some Chineseness.

    Am I losing my desire to be white; to be part of white society?

    Well, I still think Cheech and Chong are funny, I still want to save the whales and still believe in Martin Luther King Jr.

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    • Judge dredd07-27-12

      I know how you felt. Many minorities grew up here feel the same way. How many blacks in USA wish they were born white?

      Nowadays, there is internet so you get more information from overseas …

      You can finally see the White way is not the only way or the highway.

      There’s a news report tonight which says there are more than 220,000 international students in Canada contributing 8 billion dollars a year to Canada society. How many cbcs are there?

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    • Roy11-12-12

      “I was trying hard to clease myself of my Chineseness; I refused to utter a word of Chinese; I asssociated with only white people and dated only white girls; at one point I contemplated legally changing my last name to “Martin” because there are English and French people with that last name, a truly Canadian name, I thought. Deep inside, I was silently screaming out that hey guys I am one of you, can’t you see that?”

      OMG I’m a banana too and I feel the EXACT SAME way as you do! I haven’t uttered a single word in Chinese since elementary school, i only associated myself with white people, i tried to change my last name to something that sounded Caucasian, as a kid i always looked at myself in the mirror and muttered to myself in great anger “Why aren’t i White!!!!”
      I’m so glad to hear that I am not the only person who feels this way out there

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  14. Judge Dredd07-30-12

    Canadians lack confidence governments can solve issues
    Survey suggests lack of confidence in governments’ ability to balance budgets, fix health care

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/story/2012/07/24/pol-premiers-advancer-nanos-poll-priorities.html

    White people mess things up … what else is new?

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  15. Judge Dredd07-31-12

    Hundreds of women join RCMP harassment lawsuit
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/07/30/bc-rcmp-harassment-lawsuit.html

    Some people had lots of animalistic pleasures all the time, uh?

    Character/personal qualities of these local Canadians?

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  16. chinktalk07-31-12

    Hey Judge Dredd, could you tell me what ” tian ren he yi” mean?

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  17. chinktalk07-31-12

    I found this from Asia Times and it was actually quoted by a German scholar.

    I used the translator on the link you provided but still don’t understand the concept.

    There is history and philosophy and probably some religion involved.

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  18. Judge Dredd08-03-12

    B.C. criminals prey on Chinese students’ fear of police

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/08/02/bc-police-safety-chinese-students.html

    White policing … we are all scared. Look Robert Dzanski.

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  19. chinktalk08-03-12

    I think the VPD is doing a good job here of preventive measures by providing sources where students can contact in case of their being victimized.

    I know quite a number of students from China and the CBC is distorting the true picture by presenting as if allthe students from China are out of touch and weak and vulnerable; this is not the case, most students are quite in touch and they are very much capable of knowing what to do if harassed.

    I was totally impressed when a group of business students from China started to explain to me about the intricacies of the Income Tax act and gave me a few good pointers on not paying so much tax; many are just in Canada for less than 2 years.

    And they have their own networks of communication in which I am quite sure they will approach if they feel threatened.

    Of course, there are some students who are here to pass a few years of parent paid vacation – they don’t even take this opportunity to learn English. I think those are the ones in trouble. They have only a fixed number of friends and they don’t have a clue of the happenings outside that sphere; they are sitting ducks if someone decides to rip them off.

    What the CBC did was to present the story from the angle that Chinese students are afraid of the cops because of the police state that they have in China.

    It has more to do with politics than truly trying to understand the situation.

    One thing you will notice about the CBC is that it will put a negative spin on things Chinese no matter what.

    The CBC in particular and the Western press in general initially branded the Chinese swimmer as a doper until the IOC and FINA backed her; Badminton players are cheaters yet British cyclist is not even though both played the rules to gain winning advantage.

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    • Judge Dredd08-03-12

      “I know quite a number of students from China and the CBC is distorting the true picture by presenting as if allthe students from China are out of touch and weak and vulnerable; ”

      That is the racial stereotype white people want to believe in this Animal Kingdom.

      Everything is about stereotype here (racial roles).

      “What the CBC did was to present the story from the angle that Chinese students are afraid of the cops because of the police state that they have in China.

      One thing you will notice about the CBC is that it will put a negative spin on things Chinese no matter what.”

      They wouldn’t show chinese students are afraid of the cops because white people are racist (racial hate), malice, violence, and evil (crimes against humanity) …

      I feel bad for you people who have to grow up listening to all this biased propaganda–propaganda to promote white pride, white supremacy, and white righteousness.

      I still don’t understand why some people (e.g. certain immigrants) would claim Canada is a equal, human rights country. It never was and it never will be.

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  20. chinktalk08-04-12

    Judge Dredd, there are good and bad people in every race.

    There are a lot of good white people but unfortunately lately it is the bad white people who control the media and politics.

    And I am often surprised by the silence of the good white people, where are the intellectual thinkers, why are they standing on the sidelines when there is obvious travesty done to the Chinese people.

    We should learn from Martin Luther King Jr in that we should not hate our white brethrens but to work hand in hand for peace and justice.

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    • Judge Dredd08-05-12

      I hate people giving like or dislike without posting a reply to explain.

      Chinktalk, I know it is in your nature to hunger for white people’s respect. This is called brainwash/mental conditioning, and it will be your undoing.

      De-conditioning is tough; I won’t bother with it here.

      You still don’t understand what is the main issue here, don’t you?

      Modern racism in “the most multicultural city in the world”
      Most Canadians would deny that theirs is a racist country. Scholars refer to the White Paper (1976) on multiculturalism and the Multiculturalism Act (1988) as proof that Canadians “celebrate diversity.” But there are many sides to this story. While the idea of race has officially been dispelled since geneticists working on The Human Genome Project found as much genetic variation between members of the same ethnic group as between different groups, the idea of difference persists. The Multiculturalism Act encouraged people of every ethnic group to retain their own languages and cultures while integrating into their lives in Canada. Yet there are constant barriers to this in practice.
      Structural and institutional racism
      Canadian banks may no longer practice mortgage redlining, but there are plenty of other examples of structural and institutional racism in our society. Carlos Teixeira, an Associate Professor at UBC (Okanagan), did a study in 2006 comparing housing trajectories of Portuguese immigrants from Angola, Mozambique and the Azores. He found that black Portuguese immigrants faced significant racism in the housing market compared to white Portuguese immigrants. Robert Murdie, who has now retired from York University, found similar results in his comparison of Portuguese and Somali housing trajectories (2002). There are many studies documenting the difficulties immigrants to Canada face in the labour market: employers will not hire anyone without “Canadian experience.”
      While most Canadians with anglo-sounding names would probably urge incoming immigrants to keep their names, in everyday life it is often just easier for Chinese immigrants to go by their English variants, like Josephine for Ji Ling. Indian immigrants often shorten their names to anglo-sounding equivalents: I recently met a Kal who had shortened the considerably lengthier Kalvinder, and a Dee whose full name was Deepali. Indeed, my adolescence and young adulthood was peppered with anglo-ethnic hybrid names. While we were often criticized for “wanting to become white” (by our co-ethnics) or “losing our roots” (by our white friends), in practice it is just annoying to have your name mispronounced and misspelled on a daily basis.
      Philip Oreopolous’ study at the University of British Columbia suggests prejudice against ethnic names may be more than just an annoyance. A Professor of Economics at UBC, Oreopolous created 6,000 mock resumés to represent recent immigrants and Canadians with and without non-English names. They were tailored to job requirements and sent to 2,000 online job postings from employers across 20 occupational categories in the Greater Toronto Area, Canada’s largest and most multicultural city. Applicants with English-sounding names got almost 40% more callbacks from employers than those with Chinese, Indian, or Pakistani sounding names. All applicants had at least a Bachelor’s degree, plus any additional qualifications specified in the job ad, and each applicant listed three previous jobs. Changing only the location of the applicant’s job experience, from Canadian to foreign, lowered callbacks by 5-10%. Employers valued Canadian work experience far more than a Canadian education. Oreopolous concluded that there is considerable employer discrimination against ethnic Canadians and immigrants; even when the person evaluating resumes spoke with an accent or had an ethnic-sounding name, they still preferred English-sounding names by a factor of 1.42. Oreopolous points out that this type of discrimination is illegal under the Ontario Human Rights Act. In this case, both the employer and the potential employee lose; the employer has purposely overlooked a potential employee with the appropriate skills and education. Oreopolous’ results cannot help but highlight institutional racism, which is more than a little surprising in the GTA, which is 46% foreign-born; China, India, and Pakistan are the three top source countries for immigrants. In a city and region so multicultural, that has been an immigrant reception center for over a hundred years, there is no way for employers to tell whether a person is a first-, second-, or third-generation immigrant, solely by looking at their name.
      Modern racism
      While Oreopolous points out the obvious legal implications of this discrimination, many scholars would call this modern racism rather than institutional or structural racism. Modern racism is a slippery concept: the Ontario Human Rights Commission issued a policy in 2005 stressing the subtler forms of discrimination. Examples of modern racism in the workplace are:
      Exclusion from formal or informal networks
      Denial of mentoring or developmental opportunities such as secondments and training that was made available to others
      Differential management practices such as excessive monitoring and documentation or deviation from written policies or standard practices
      Disproportionate blame for an incident
      Assignment to less desirable positions or job duties
      Treating normal differences of opinion as confrontational or insubordinate
      Characterizing normal communication as rude or aggressive
      Penalizing a person for failing to get along with someone else, e.g. a co-worker or manager, when one of the reasons for the tension is racially discriminatory attitudes or behaviour of the co-worker or manager
      Differences in name, accent or manner of speech, clothing and grooming, diet, beliefs and practices, and leisure preferences can bring out subtle acts of racism. Because of language differences, member of various ethnic groups communicate in different ways. For example, in some cultures it is normal to wait several seconds after a person is finished speaking before responding; in anglo-North American culture the pause time is under one second. Those with the longer pause time would think they were being constantly interrupted by those with the shorter pause time. Underlining, or repeating the last few words of a person’s sentence at the same time as they are speaking, is common in some cultures but considered rude by North Americans.
      Another common form of subtle racism is co-opting part of an ethnic culture: it is considered fashionable for a white person to wear a sari or practice yoga, but not an Indian person. I would add that in Canada we have the practice of “celebrating diversity” by having silly cultural festivals, yet we do not tolerate difference on a daily basis. A few years ago, a friend of mine told me his daughter was asked to return one day from school because she had henna tattoos on her hands. My friend, a Canadian of Indian ethnicity who is married to a white Canadian, said the school official told him the school did not allow tattoos at school. A few months later, the same official asked if his daughter could bring some sort of Indian food to a school multicultural festival.
      Assuming that members of the same ethnicity are all the same is another example of subtle racism. Most of my Indian friends fend off questions about where the good Indian restaurants are, if we like Bollywood movies, and whether we have been to India; yet in most cases, we would have been teased mercilessly for liking Indian food, movies, or culture during our childhood and adolescence. In Outliers (2008), Malcolm Gladwell addresses the assumption that Asians are better at math. We even find examples of racism in terminology: what groups fall under the heading of “Asian”, and can they be grouped together as if they are all similar?
      Joe Darden, a Professor of Geography at Michigan State, argues that denial of subtle and institutional racism allows Canadians to avoid changing legislation or monitor practices that discriminate against non-whites. Along with most other scholars, Darden points out that Canada has a long history of racism in immigration policy (The Significance of White Supremacy in the Canadian Metropolis of Toronto, 2004). He suggests that changes in the economy, and not changes in attitudes among white policy makers, were responsible for the removal of discrimination in immigration policy. In the post-war era, the need for skilled workers opened up immigration to non-European countries, while racist attitudes have remained. Like many African American scholars, Darden believes that there has been a transition from overt and institutional racism to subtle racism. Although significant Aboriginal populations have lived in Canada for thousands of years and British Columbia had small Chinese and Sikh populations around the turn of the century, Canada’s racist immigration policies only began to change in 1952. Most non-Europeans in Canada entered the country after 1967 changes to the Immigration Act. Fifty years is not a lot of time to eliminate racist ideologies.
      The idea of racism in Canadian society may seem impossible, but various studies have proven there are subtle forms of racism in the housing market, labour market, and in social interactions. Oreopolous’ study shows that racism is present in the most multicultural city in Canada, therefore it must exist in cities with less cultural diversity. Many believe that cross-cultural education is the key to breaking down preconceptions about other cultures, understanding how different communication styles and values. In a multicultural society, cross-cultural training should be offered for all ages, from kindergarten to university, in schools and in the workplace. But Oreopolous’ study, as well as the earlier studies by Murdie and Teixeira, indicate there is also some legislative work to be done, as well as monitoring of employers, housing agencies, real estate agents, and landlords to ensure discrimination is not a factor in hiring, promotion, renting or buying a home in Canadian cities.

      http://www.renthomas.ca/attitudes-and-behaviour/modern-racism-in-the-most-multicultural-city-in-the-world

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      • Judge dredd08-05-12

        Racism is not only about ideas and individual-level expressions of behaviour. It can also be reflected in the ways that social institutions operate by denying groups of people fair and equitable treatment. In this case we talk about structure and power, otherwise known as institutional racism.

        Institutional racism is the power to establish what is normal, necessary and desirable and reinforces superiority or preferences for one group over another. A second form of institutional racism exists when policies, which were initially founded using ideas about groups as being “racially inferior” still exists even if the belief is no longer held. The Chinese head tax is an example of institutional racism that stemmed from the belief that immigrants would be a burden on the predominantly White Canadian society. Chinese immigration from 1880 to 1885 was tolerated to ensure the construction of the Canadian Pacific Railway, and a more recent example is the temporary migration of Mexican season agricultural workers. The belief that “coloured” workers were racially suited for physical labour supported the use of temporary workers from these ethnic groups however they were not to be considered as potential Canadian citizens.

        The third form of institutional racism exists when policies or programs seem racially neutral but either intentionally or unintentionally, put minority group members at a disadvantage. For example, in certain provinces the current process for selecting citizens for jury duty results in Aboriginal people rarely being selected. These dimensions of racism reveal that power, and individuals in positions of power, can create or perpetuate racialized policies.

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        • Judge dredd08-05-12

          Just an observation of things as they currently are within the system regarding Institutional Racism. Nowadays, no one will be stupid enough to go up to someone‘s face and start insulting them with racial epithets or behaviour. Instead, they will make a soldier‘s life miserable by using the system against them. Are there any troops out there that have noticed this happening among their units? Furthermore, the Americans seem to have a better grasp on this. For example, the head of their Army is of Oriental ancestry. I am referring to General Shinseki. He was recently on television awarding decorations to his soldiers on CNN. I have yet to see someone other than an Anglophone or Francophone for that matter be promoted to the Senior Officer or General Ranks within the Canadian Armed Forces. Is this another politically correct commentary?! Not really… Everyone laughs at SHARP untill someone becomes a victim of someone‘s ignorance.

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      • Judge Dredd08-08-12

        ” He suggests that changes in the economy, and not changes in attitudes among white policy makers, were responsible for the removal of discrimination in immigration policy. In the post-war era, the need for skilled workers opened up immigration to non-European countries, while racist attitudes have remained. Like many African American scholars, Darden believes that there has been a transition from overt and institutional racism to subtle racism. ”

        Does that mean expathkboy was an African American scholar?

        That’s what he said. Open up immigration to non-whites for economical reason, but racial attitudes (white canada) remains unchanged.

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  21. Judge Dredd08-05-12

    Another thing, this is on today’s singtao newspaper.

    http://programme.rthk.hk/rthk/tv/programme.php?name=tv/rootsoldandnew

    http://news.singtao.ca/vancouver/2012-08-05/community1344160222d4014339.html

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  22. mike08-06-12

    I’m late to the party. I found this site a few months ago and checked in to see what’s up. At best it is informative about Chinese canadians, historically and present day. At worst, it the same whining over and over again. I live in Toronto where we have our share of problems and dealing with other cultures. A Mosque is being built down the street from me. I don’t like, but I deal with it. I am not the only one living in this country. I have been here since 1973. Yeah, I’m an old fucker. And I have witnessed and experienced racism and other shit. But what bothers me the more than that is you Judge Dread. You are so pisses at everything and blame it on racism. Do you have any sort of personal joy or happiness? Do you have a girlfriend? Or boyfriend? Maybe you should get laid or go on vacation. You have all these wonderful facts and bla bla bla. It means shit if you are miserable. I don’t think you hate white people. That would be too easy. I think you hate yourself. I think you are just scared little bitch hiding behind news papers afraid to let your guard down to let people see what you really are. A FUCKING YELLOW CRYBABY!

    tUCC, good try.

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    • judge dredd08-07-12

      Yellow crybaby?

      Another racial remark? Because you have no foreign money and have to steal white people’s jobs? You have no facts to refute anything, and so you go on an ad hominem personal attack (Latin for “to the man”), short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it.

      That speaks volumes about your character and personality traits.

      Unlike you losers, recent immigrants have lots to do around here. I can go to market village, pacific mall, and manumerous other places to have fun in Toronto.

      Check out this site: http://www.ccue.ca

      You suck, man.

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  23. chinktalk08-07-12

    Mike, I am an arden advocate of freedom of expression so I am not going to ask you to refrain from insulting people since you should be able to say whatever and however you want.

    But at the same time you shouldn’t try to silence someone either.

    Judge Dredd should be allowed to say whatever he wants and whatever which way he wants also.

    I happen to agree with what Judge Dredd wrote.

    It is a well researched and well documented piece, you might disagree with his findings and conclusions, and that is your prerogative, and you are welcome to put forward your arguments.

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    • Judge Dredd08-08-12

      He has no facts or arguments to offer in regards to social justice; he is here to promote hate and contempt against “Yellow” crybaby.

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      • Judge Dredd08-08-12

        He might as well call me a “nigger” or “negroes”.

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  24. Judge Dredd08-12-12

    I just watched this video:
    http://www.nfb.ca/film/minoru-memory-of-exile/

    Chinktalk, could you watch it and tell me what you think? (Listen to what William Lyon Mackenzie King said in 1944)

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  25. judge dredd08-12-12

    Facebook page calls for American-only hours at U.S. Costco
    CBC News
    08/12/2012, 4:23PM

    Many Canadians are taking advantage of the high Canadian dollar by shopping across the border – with cheap milk and gas being two of the big draws – but some Americans are fed up with the cross-border crowd.

    Some Bellingham, Wa., residents started a Facebook page calling for American-only hours at the local Costco.

    On the Facebook page “Bellingham Costco needs a special time just for Americans,” residents write that they have seen flats of milk stripped away in seconds.

    Some write that they have to wait in long lines at the Costco gas station as Canadians fill up first their cars, and then their gas cans.

    Others have posted photos of cars with British Columbia licence plates that take up more than one parking space.

    Some just complain about Canadians being rude.

    Ken Oplinger, president of the Bellingham/Whatcom Chamber of Commerce, is urging locals to have patience for their Canadians visitors. He said that without them, the living situation in the city and county would be quite different.

    “In the last two years, our sales tax generation has doubled or tripled the pace in the rest of the state, and its almost entirely because of the Canadians coming south,” he said.

    *is this racism? Or they hate Canadians because?

    The administrator of the Facebook page, which had over 2,000 “Likes” as of Sunday, posted a message earlier this week telling Canadians that they are not being blamed.

    “To our Canadian friends on here that think we hate you: You have to look at the root of the problem. Bellingham has laws that keep big box companys from expanding. The overcrowding in this small, slow paced town has agitated people,” the note said.

    A spokesperson for Costco said the Bellingham store is bursting at the seams, and that the company would love to expand the Bellingham store.

    It would also like to install more lines and pumps at its gas station, but there’s no room to do so on the current property.

    While the Bellingham Facebook community page implores Costco to set aside special opening hours for Americans, just as it used to do for preferred customers, some commenters want the Canadians just to go away.

    A senior VP told CBC News that the store isn’t looking to change its policy on shoppers, which is that anyone with a Costco membership can shop at any Costco store in the world.

    According to a report by Seattle’s KIRO TV, Bellingham police said that Costco is now paying for an off-duty officer to handle the parking lot crowd two days a week.

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    • judge dredd08-12-12

      This is verbatim how hk people felt about mainland China tourists in hk, except this is Canuck vs. American. How come they don’t blame race?

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      • Ronglimeng08-13-12

        “How come they don’t blame race ?”

        Huh ? Probably because race has nothing to do with it, either in Hong Kong or Bellingham. I don’t understand how you could possibly connect “race” with cross-border shopping frictions !

        As a Canadian who frequently shops across the medicine line, I am very sensitive to American feelings about Canadians crowding over the border to buy cheap gas, eggs, cheese, milk, and just about everything else. I’m embarrassed that some Canadians are considered rude in Bellingham.

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        • Judge Dredd08-13-12

          “As a Canadian who frequently shops across the medicine line, I am very sensitive to American feelings about Canadians crowding over the border to buy cheap gas, eggs, cheese, milk, and just about everything else. ”

          I am surprised to hear that.

          How do you tell who is a canadian and who is an american when race is not the issue?

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          • Ronglimeng08-14-12

            “How do you tell who is a canadian and who is an american when race is not the issue?”

            Well, by licence plates mainly. Ontario plates sometimes outnumber Michigan plates 3:1 at the Target.

            But you can tell by accent. Can’t you tell an American talking from a Canadian talking ? We are the ones speaking with no accent (!).

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          • Judge Dredd08-15-12

            “Well, by licence plates mainly. Ontario plates sometimes outnumber Michigan plates 3:1 at the Target.

            But you can tell by accent. Can’t you tell an American talking from a Canadian talking ? We are the ones speaking with no accent.”

            That’s very strange. Because I find this:
            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0rV3sYuAYE

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFDvZPx5wn0

            Eventually, we need an English-as-a-First-language class here.

            How do you communicate with each other is still a mystery to me.

            In the West Coast, I don’t see any particular accent.

            This isn’t like the American Midwest or the South.

            But white people do mock immigrants’ English accent though. But as far as I am concerned, after watching that youtube, everything is just b.s. and racial hate.

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          • Judge Dredd08-15-12

            Ronglimeng,

            On today’s chinese newspaper, they talk this in-depth.

            USA Gas station staff have heard locals say, (Go back to Canada!).

            In a bar? There is a sign that says, (play Canadian pay Canadian).

            There is a (Bellingham Costco needs a special time just for Canadians) only 100 people likes it though.

            What will you do if you hear people say (Go back to Canada!)?

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  26. chinktalk08-12-12

    Judge Dredd, thanks for the link

    In the days of WLM King, open racism against Asians was considered fair and just. While he felt the Nazis were racists he felt that the mistreatment of the Canadian Japanese was fair and just.

    The video gave me a very personal feeling of pain suffered by the oppressed, unjustly treated Japanese. What it must felt like when your life is determined by someone else. Your next meal your next abode questionable; the pain of uncertainty.

    William Lyon Mackenzie King considered this to be democracy.

    “This is verbatim how hk people felt about mainland China tourists in hk, except this is Canuck vs. American. How come they don’t blame race?”

    Because the Americans didn’t put the Canucks in concentration camps and took away all their possessions and rights.

    There was this Hong Kong bus rider confronted a child for eating crackers on the bus. Hong Kong Chinese felt superior to Mainland Chinese like South Koreans felt superior to North Koreans.

    Canadians and Mainland Chinese have the right not to shop in the US or in Hong Kong; did Jack Chow have any rights when the Vancouver mayer decided to cut his building into the smallest building in the world.

    Modern racism has taken a much more subtle approach as per your previous article. Jan Wong made so many sacrifices for the Globe and Mail and the at the first sight of trouble, she is out the door and disposed like a used napkin.

    There were more people speaking up for the reinstatemnt of Canadian citizenship for Conrad Black then someone standing up for Jan Wong.

    The Chinese were used for a purpose, like building a railroad or like Jan Wong fighting for democracy, or Japanese Canadians for the Korean war, once that purpose is done, the they became a “disposable purpose”.

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    • Judge Dredd08-13-12

      “Hong Kong Chinese felt superior to Mainland Chinese like South Koreans felt superior to North Koreans.”

      That is not true. You misunderstood.

      I actually think that Japanese dude is better off staying in Japan.

      Many recent chinese immigrants have been moving back to China, taiwan, hk for the last 20+ years.

      The problem was Canada didn’t refund his property and possessions and provide compensation to him and his family.

      Look at Japan now, and Canada.

      Japan is a much better country.

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      • chinktalk08-15-12

        “”"I actually think that Japanese dude is better off staying in Japan.

        Many recent chinese immigrants have been moving back to China, taiwan, hk for the last 20+ years
        “”"

        Despite my gripes about Canada, I don’t think I would be able to live in China, Taiwan or Hong Kong for the simple reason that I am a native plant of Canada.

        Similarly people who grew up in China, for example, will find China much more fitting despite the lower standard of living.

        I met some British immigrants here and they complained about the Canadian weather, the Canadian culture, and generally Canadians. Yet they come to Canada for economic reasons and they would always tell me how wonderful Britain is.

        One British guy used to say to me – I’ve had it, I am going to sell my volkswagon and move back to England. And he was a bus driver in Britain.

        I have always wondered why the British ever want to move to Canada.

        The daughters of Chris Patten, the last governor of Hong Kong, made frequent trips back to Hong Kong after 1997 because they were actually brought up in HK. For them, HK is their native soil not England.

        I think that is why Fukushima prefered Canada than Japan because he was brought up in Canada – his native soil.

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        • Judge Dredd08-15-12

          You don’t know why Brits emigrate to Canada?

          Oh my god! They leave UK because they are looking for a place that has lower taxes, lower cost of living(compared to the UK), hopefull better government, better public services.

          There is a lack of jobs in the UK, real bad.

          For example, they say, “The cost of living is considerably less than in the UK. Our salaries are comparable or even higher, so anyone who moves over would be able to make money and set some aside.”

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          • Judge Dredd08-15-12

            “Despite my trying my best to convince myself and family that Canada was the place to live, we really couldnt leave to return to the UK soon enough. No work for the family, expensive, terrible weather, Canadian smugness, the list is endless. I would guess all the UK, German, Italian etc. people we met would go back if they could possibly afford to do so. Even Canadians constantly asked what made us move to Canada. I wouldnt recommend the move to anyone.”

            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/2225860/Canada-wants-British-workers-to-emigrate.html

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          • Judge Dredd08-15-12

            “We left Canada in 1990 after 15 years as we eventually realised it was no longer for us. Why? Well in a nutshell it came down to our “quality of life” being more important than “standard of living” which most Canadians confuse as the same thing. We had all the material goods: lovely home, car cheap petrol etc etc but despite immersing ourselves in Canada we found the social interaction of most Canadians to be very poor compared to the UK , USA and other countries we have lived in. Our life in the UK is so much richer in term of friendship and social life, We still enjoy a good standard of living but now have much more holiday time to relax and enjoy our family. Incidentally, On a recent visit back to Canada we did a personal price check on supermarkets, pharmacies, restaurants and car dealers etc and where quite suprised to find most prices the same if not more expensive than the UK. In fact our European model car was around $2000 more there! And wages, in my profession at least, are lower than the UK and start with only two weeks vacation per year for the first 5 years! We still have Canadian citizenship but nothing would make us give up on the UK despite all it’s problems. As a final note: our British born friends in Canada almost all moaned about the same political issues as the UK and commented that they would head back to the UK tomorrow if there kids where not grown up and settled there.”

            “Do NOT I repeat NOT believe the grass is greener in Canada. I will be honest I cannot speak for the rest of the country but stay well away from Edmonton, Alberta. We pay the equivalent of 40 pounds per month for private medical insurance (healthcare here is not free!) Despite paying this amount it’s almost impossible to find a doctor. Our Doctor left the surgery (without letting us know) and we were thrown out because “our” doctor had decided to go and practice somewhere else. There were 6 other doctors at the surgery and I presumed we would be signed on to them but we were literally told to take a hike! Yesterday my daughter needed a follow up check up after surgery and we had to visit a medicentre (because nobody can find doctors) and we waited 3 hours and were still not seen! We had to leave due to another appointment and I have had to take a day off work to go back so I can sit there all day. Going to emergency in the hospitals here is just insane. Way longer waiting times than in the uk and you will sometimes see only 4 other people in the waiting area. It’s weird!!!

            Due to the incredible amount of people on drugs/booze and cologne (yes people here drink it because it’s cheap) you will often see junkies being left in waiting areas having a “bad trip” on drugs surrounded by sick people and children. I have had the pleasure of witnessing this 4 times out of the 7 times I have had to go. The doctors and nurses are definitely not as caring as in the UK and the Police service overall is a joke. I have honestly never witnessed such unprofessionalism.

            The schools are terrible TERRIBLE and prostitution, drugs etc is a daily occurance and most kids run or know others that run in gangs. Kids do not have to go to school and can “drop out” anytime without consequence.

            My friend’s daughter was 13 and ran away to live with a 28 year old guy. She went to make a complaint as this is considered “against the law” but was then told there was nothing they could do because the kid was consenting to sexual relations. Unlike the UK you cannot get free legal aid if you are on low income unless you are the purpotraitor so most cannot go to court. There is a lot of corruption within the law and these people are not like the good old British bobby. Some are really rude. We constantly called police as 2 thugs were going around trying car doors. After 3 hours of nobody coming we were actually told “What is it that you want US to do?” … I could give you a list of incidents!

            I have been away from the UK for 8 years and I see a huge difference in the way the youth are acting out. It’s absoloutely sickening but just so you know. Gangs are rampant here. Prostitution in EVERY school and the kids here not only walk around with knives but also GUNS. It’s unbelievable! I could tell you of another story with reference to one of these gang members being imprisoned for assault and even though the victim has told the police about this individual posessing numerous firearms the police have not even visited the home.

            At 11 years of age my son was walking across the football field close to home (we live in a really “nice” part of town apparently) and was jumped by a gang and he also had a gun held at him by teens. We called the police and they came and told us how making charges for the beating would be pointless as these were “kids”. My son explained about the gun and was asked “and what do you want US to do about it?” in a very sarcastic manner in the same way my friend was treated with her 13 year old daughter. THIS IS NOT A PLACE FOR KIDS do not listen to the stories of how family friendly it is.

            Education is EXPENSIVE here and not free like the UK on and I just paid for my daughter’s school buss pass. $500 for the year. Ouch!

            Most people from the East coast that have moved here are LOVELY and have very funny senses of humour but most of the regional people here in Edmonton are very different. I really liked it here when we landed and was excited to start a new life but once I started working it was a different story.

            I was asked why we didnt have electricity in the UK and why we use PAPER in toilets as in NEWSPAPER. This was a conversation including myself and 2 canadian women who were very bitchy and that was my first impression of “canadians” maybe it is the business I work in but that really has not improved. Despite my rant here I am a very nice person who gets along with anybody but the anger and bitterness inside me is turning me into a very inward person. I never laugh anymore (there is no sense of humour here)I am earning nothing compared to what I earned in the UK and there is NOTHING to do here except for the Rocky Mountains which really is something you can find in most parts of the world. does Canada have beautiful scenery? yes but I have seen beautiful scenery in many other parts of the world while on Holiday. we LOVED it here when visiting on Holiday but living here is a whole different thing. Oh and most people will not earn a wage here. The majority of jobs here are paid by the hour. There is nothing set in stone.

            One thing I will say is you can have a better car here and a bigger house. Cosmetically things look nice. However, the quality of things are far superior in the UK/Europe. Yes we have a much bigger house but it’s wood and you can put your finger through the dry wall lol! You can borrow money much easier here but guarantee you will always be in debt. In the UK our house may have been smaller but our lifestyle was better. More things to do, Europe on the doorstep. Great places to visit. LOTS of things are cheaper in the UK … and people are much friendlier in the UK as opposed to here. Most immigrants agree that people are more friendly “back home” from wherever they come from.

            I think the problem is that Canda is advertised so positively. “Friendliest people in the world” … “amazing standard of living” etc but I must say I think we as a race (The British) can identify with Americans more so than Canadian Albertans. I have generalised a lot and for this I appologise because I have only lived in Edmonton Alberta and not anywhere else in Canada. So by stating “Canada” I mean Edmonton/Alberta.

            Oh and p.s the Governement here is nowhere near as open as in the UK. We might always be complaining about the government in the UK but that’s because we know of all their flaws usually lol Try another country for long enough before you think the UK and it’s government is that bad.

            The weather is bad but I knew this before I came. I just wish I’d known that the grass was definitely NOT greener. I am trying my best to get home but after sacrificing so much to come here it’s really difficult financially to get back now. Of course I could maybe take advantage of all the wonderful benefits we have in the UK (which are not available here) but I will return with some integrity. Big mistake running away from the problems of the UK. Think very carefully before you do it. Sorry Edmonton!”

            If I continue to post this, I would be like expathkboy … yuck!

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  27. chinktalk08-12-12

    Fukushima said it was “birthright lost and recovered”, I think that is basically what a lot of Canadians of Asian descent was trying to do.

    How about Patrick Chan, does a Chinese Canadian birthright give you the right to critisize Canada without being accused of being a spy or a traitor?

    Isn’t making Canada a better place a birthright?

    John Kennedy said “Ask not what your country can do for you but ask what you can do for your country”….

    Here is a bunch of Asians doing everything for the country of Canada and they are treated as a “disposable purpose”.

    There is more modern racism today than ever and you can find that easily in what is promulgated by the mainstream media.

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    • Judge Dredd08-15-12

      In the Western civilization, there is always a Social Class system with 3 tiers.

      1-tier: Nobility, Lords and Masters
      2-tier: Commoner/Citizen
      3-tier: Slaves

      So there is the “House of Lords”, “House of Commons”. I don’t see a House of slaves though.

      Maybe it is the education system here, they never teach you people anything here?

      What is democracy? You have no birthright(s) if you were not born in the Upper Class (peerage). Same with human rights and other crap.

      “Disposable purpose”? You must be a slave. You should know your role here.

      Reference material:
      http://wps.prenhall.com/ca_ph_macionis_sociology_5/23/6031/1544106.cw/index.html

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  28. Ronglimeng08-16-12

    (1)
    I appreciate that you have taken the trouble to research the “Michigan accent”. I have to admit that Youtube girl “BornConfusing”, sounds pretty much like me. However I still say that I can usually distinguish Americans from Canadians – mostly by the way our neighbours stretch out their vowels. Example: (Mom) … them: Mahhhm ; us: Mum.

    [Aside:] Aren’t those Youtube posts irritating ! Why in the name of God couldn’t she rehearse her piece a few times, and even then, if necessary, read from cue cards behind the camera.

    (2)
    You’re wrong about the Costco. Some irate customers wanted a special time, but they haven’t got it.

    If I heard one or two people tell me to go back to Canada, I would think they are a$$holes. If there were a lot of them, then I would go back to Canada. But I’ve always been welcomed in the Great Republic [once we get past the border guards- and sometimes even from them].

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    • Judge Dredd08-17-12

      I didn’t write it clearly.

      There is another facebook–Bellingham Costco needs a special time just for Canadians with only 100 likes, where as–Bellingham Costco needs a special time just for Americans has 2000 plus likes.

      And how does it feel to be living so close to the US border? For rest of us, it is a long trip for people in Vancouver or Toronto to get down to the US …

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      • Judge Dredd08-19-12

        Witness says man with B.C. plates pumped gas into bags

        CTV British Columbia
        Published Saturday, Aug. 18, 2012 6:14PM PDT
        Last Updated Saturday, Aug. 18, 2012 6:41PM PDT
        Pictures of a man with B.C. licence plates buying gas a at a Bellingham station have the online world buzzing.
        Earlier this week a man at the Bellingham Fred Meyer, where many British Columbians fill up their tanks and jerry cans with cheap American gas, grabbed the attention of a woman because of his strange behaviour.
        The woman began taking photos as she said the man pumped gas into a plastic-lined duffel bag while it was inside a black garbage bag. She said she watched him fill three bags this way before tying them closed and putting them into the back of his car.
        The Washington State Patrol is now investigating.
        “In a bag like that, probably not a real safe idea,” Sgt. Mark Dennis said after seeing the shots.
        “You run the risk of all sorts of potential, if there was an impact or anything like that. And you simply wouldn’t want to have loose gasoline inside in a car.”
        A spokesperson from Fred Meyer says the man is a regular customer.
        This incident marks the second time this week British Columbians have been accused of behaving badly in a bid to save money in Bellingham.
        A video of frantic customers snatching up milk at the Bellingham Costco became a YouTube sensation and thousands of people from Washington state joined a Facebook campaign asking for separate shopping hours for Americans. In response, Canadians started their own Facebook page asking for separate hours as well.
        But retail analyst David Ian Gray doesn’t think these incidents show Canadians and Americans hold real animosity for one another.
        “I think a lot of people in Bellingham really appreciate the business we bring across the border. It’s one of those quirky things that goes viral on the Internet, and perhaps we can behave a little more courteously when we go down there,” he said.

        Read more: http://bc.ctvnews.ca/witness-says-man-with-b-c-plates-pumped-gas-into-bags-1.920380#ixzz242gYfqvH

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  29. judge dredd08-16-12

    Vancouver police officer filmed kicking arrested man
    CBC News
    08/16/2012, 8:48PM

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/08/16/bc-vancouver-violent-arrest.html

    Things never change here …

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    • Ronglimeng08-17-12

      That’s disturbing footage and as one of the posters on the accompanying comments section wrote: “I see more paid leave coming up”.

      But what’s all this got to do with the price of beans in Chicago ?

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  30. judge dredd08-19-12

    HK To Vancouver And Back – “We returned from Hong Kong as expatriates 3 years ago. As a born Vancouverite, I wanted my daughter to finish school here. Now I realize that there is no future for her here after university. She certainly will never own a property here.”
    Posted on 31 May 2011 | 47 Comments
    DM at VREAA 21 May 2011 4:41pm -
    “We returned from Hong Kong as expatriates 3 years ago, I guess we thought we were suffering from burn-out after 8 years and felt it was time to settle down. We rented a property in West Vancouver and my husband, a financial analyst eventually landed a job after 2 years. Working for a small Canadian firm was pretty dull and after tax it was pretty much impossible to make ends meet. Our idea of living in a community where you knew your neighbours and the kids played on the cul-de-sac until dark never materialized as we saw houses being bought and sold and often left empty. House flipping here really is a sport and it certainly doesn’t build ties to the community. The only friends we have made on our street, ironically, are another expatriate family who were acquaintances from Hong Kong. Go figure.

    We were certainly looking for the lifestyle of the skiing and the fresh air, but that all becomes a little stale once you have fought for parking at Grouse or are gouged doing ANYTHING in Whistler all while avoiding kamikaze stoned boarders who do not care if they obliterate an entire family. It’s all a bit overrated. The amount of time one spends in traffic here is ridiculous: I can’t understand the logic – we won’t cut down a single tree to expand a road to manage traffic but we will let everyone idle in our cars while merging from four lanes to one on the Lion’s Gate, all while we pump gas fumes into the air. And our government wants to encourage more migration to Vancouver when the citizens we have here can’t get anywhere. Nuts.

    Consequently a new position in an international bank in Hong Kong came up, starting tomorrow, pays more than double the Vancouver salary. Thank god we did not buy a property here, because I am not convinced we would have sold it and broken even. While rents in Hong Kong are definitely higher, Hong Kong tax allows you to deduct 50% of your annual rent off your gross income before you calculate your 15%. And the government is so efficient that when they run a surplus (which happened at least twice while I lived there), they give every citizen and permanent resident a tax rebate. Yes, folks this is true. This year, we both got a cheque for the equivalent of $800 Cdn courtesy of the government of Hong Kong. When they ran a deficit as they did during SARS, all government employees took a 5% salary cut. Your employer pays your health care costs unlike here, where the employer deducts extended health off your income. If we need to see a specialist, I can see one the very next day. Health care is excellent and yes, you can find an excellent doctor who will take you on as a patient and give you 45 minutes if you need it. Our daughter had pioneering kidney surgery in Hong Kong 3 years ago that is still not offered anywhere in Canada.

    Believe it or not general day to day living expenses (other than rent) are not more expensive than here, transit is excellent, cheap, clean and safe thereby eliminating the need for a car entirely. Hong Kong is an international airport with direct flights to numerous destinations all over the world. How hard is it to leave Vancouver and get to a sunny destination without taking multiples flights that cost an exorbitant amount? With a decent salary and low taxes, when I get fed up with the pollution, I can be on a deserted beach in 4 hours in a 5 star resort for a 1/3 of the cost of a trip to Hawaii .

    As a born Vancouverite, I wanted my daughter to finish school here and make friends. Now I realize that there is no future for her here once she finishes university and she certainly will never own a property here. Will we come back ever? Yes to visit the extended family. But, we’ll never live here again, even when we retire. There are plenty of other sunny, less expensive destinations to choose from. Vancouver is a nice place to visit but living here is just not all its cracked up to be.

    Chinktalk, what do you think? Does it sound like a white guy? If they are white, how do they stay in hk? Illegal migrants?

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  31. Ronglimeng08-20-12

    “Image of Asian-looking woman banned from new $100 bill after complaints”

    I’m surprised that neither Chintalk nor the Judge have jumped on this yet ! (Maybe they’ve been playing Mah-Jongg all weekend and haven’t come up for air yet ?).

    Anyway, I stand with the complainers ! The Chinese kid on the toboggan on the back of the $5 bill is enough diversity – and there’s lots more $5 bills than $100’s.

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    • Judge Dredd08-20-12

      Ronglimeng,

      I checked the Canadian $5 dollar bill. I only see white hockey players.

      Chinese kid on the toboggan? You are talking about–The Canadian $5 bill has a quote from Le Chandail on it, as well as imagery of children playing hockey. Le Chandail is a story about how a young child from Montreal begs his parents to get him a Montreal Canadiens hockey sweater only to receive the hated Toronto Maple Leafs hockey sweater.

      That French kid isn’t Chinese …

      Back on topic, I think it is good to reinforce that stereotype. Some people STILL don’t understand Canada is a white man’s country.

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      • Judge Dredd08-20-12

        I despise a bait-and-switch scam, which is a form of fraud.

        Multicultural is (the bait) shown to meet political correctness and public relations requirements, then a different set of rules are executed in practice at a later date in order to protect the status quo in canada (the switch).

        So I don’t think that stereotype is a problem because it is the switch without the bait.

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  32. chinktalk08-20-12

    Chinktalk, what do you think? Does it sound like a white guy? If they are white, how do they stay in hk? Illegal migrants?

    Judge Dredd

    I don’t know because I have never been to HK and don’t know the laws or culture there.

    Anyways, it doesn’t matter because people are more comfortable with what they are used, for example, I saw this documentary on this homeless person in the US who came to a windfall of $50,000 and he rented a hotel room and took a shower and after spending 5 minutes on the bed, he decided to sleep on the floor because he couldn’t sleep on a nice soft warm mattress.

    “Image of Asian-looking woman banned from new $100 bill after complaints”

    I’m surprised that neither Chintalk nor the Judge have jumped on this yet ! (Maybe they’ve been playing Mah-Jongg all weekend and haven’t come up for air yet ?).

    Ronglimeng,

    I think the Asian in the $100 bill is actually an Aboriginal lady so I don’t know what the fuss is all about.

    And as to Mah Jong, I don’t know how to play that game and it is stereotyping to assume that all Asians love to play that game.

    This is going to shock you, I don’t have a university degree and I barely made it through high school because I was so lousy at math.

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    • Judge Dredd08-20-12

      I was hoping you could comment on what he or she said about Vancouver … if you read the comments over there, you would see even white people know about the changing immigrants demographics here.

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      • chinktalk08-21-12

        I must be missing something here, the commenters are saying basically what I said which was that depending on where you grew up and what you are used to, some people prefer HK and others YVR, but not all for the same reasons.

        If you want my personal opinion on Vancouver, I don’t mind it but I doubt that I would live there because I was brought up on a farm and I am still on a farm.

        I enjoy waking up to the smell of cow shit than car exhaust, but I have met many young people that are allegic to fresh air so they would die if you’d ask them to trot through a rolling green vale with sunshine and singing birds.

        But each to their own, some like HK and some like YVR, and I love my cow shit.

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        • Judge Dredd08-21-12

          You live on a farm? In Richmond or where?

          If it is outside lower mainland, why do you care about “Chinese in Canada”?

          It makes no difference to you “out there” anyway, don’t it?

          For example, if I were living in YellowKnife or Whitehorse in the Yukon, immigrants or chinese or whatever don’t matter to me up there.

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          • Ronglimeng08-22-12

            @ Chinktalk:

            Sorry, but you sound a little suspicious. I don’t usually hear farmers talking about manure in such a way. In my modest experience they don’t call it “shit”, apparently because it is such a valuable thing. Please clarify.

            @ the Judge:

            ‘If it is outside lower mainland, why do you care about “Chinese in Canada”?’.

            You’re kidding, right?. Otherwise, you sound like “the frog in the well”. There are, and have been, Chinese people all across Canada, even before the wave of Hong Kong and Mainland immigration. When we travel to out-of-the-way places in Canada in Canada and see Chinese, I aways say to my wife “Look at that ! Every goddamn place you go !”. She enjoys the comment, it’s really admiration, not complaint.

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          • chinktalk08-22-12

            I live in Canada and anything Canadian is my business, it doesn’t matter where. And because I am ethnic Chinese, anything Chinese is also my business, it doesn’t matter where.

            Now here is an interesting question for you, – do Chinese Canadians have the right to critisize mainstream Canada?

            You see mainstream Canada critisize things Chinese all the time; and with a bit of propaganda from the mainstream media, the Chinese and China are the fall guys for all things wrong with mainstream society.

            Another question – why is it that you never see any Chinese taking an active role in critisizing the wrongs of Canada?

            You see Chinese people critisizing Chinese or China all the time but none, I mean none would critisize Canada.

            Yet, we are the spies and traitors.

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          • chinktalk08-22-12

            “Sorry, but you sound a little suspicious. I don’t usually hear farmers talking about manure in such a way. In my modest experience they don’t call it “shit”, apparently because it is such a valuable thing. Please clarify.”

            Ronglimeng, for someone who thinks that all Chinese are mahjong addicts, now you want to stereotype farmers, I can tell you one thing, to farmers, cow shit is cow shit, except when it is bullshit.

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  33. Jaswant K08-20-12

    that fuss about removing the asian womans face on the $100 bill was actually that of a south asian woman. ie. Indo-Canadian!

    Now that really makes me mad. I’m Sikh and Im tired of the racist whites who think there the only ones who are Canadians!!

    heres what bank of Canada say today: One of these was a photoshopped image based on an original photograph of a South Asian woman looking through a microscope.

    link: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/report-on-business/economy/currencies/carney-apologizes-for-asian-banknote-controversy/article4489633/

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  34. Judge Dredd08-22-12

    @Ronglimeng,

    “You’re kidding, right?. Otherwise, you sound like “the frog in the well”. There are, and have been, Chinese people all across Canada, even before the wave of Hong Kong and Mainland immigration. When we travel to out-of-the-way places in Canada in Canada and see Chinese, I aways say to my wife “Look at that ! Every goddamn place you go !”. She enjoys the comment, it’s really admiration, not complaint.”

    It is very strange for you to say that. Because I have talked to other white people, in Vancouver. They have all their OWN lives to worry about, MILF, crimes to commit, bills to pay, job situation and whatnot. Their consensus is they don’t care much how these “chinese in canada” live their lives here, as much as they care how the native indians are doing in native reserves.

    They do whine about seeing too many immigrants, blame us and/or scrapegoating us on how they mismanage Canada’s finaces–foreigners taking up white people’s resources. They know nothing about the immigration policy yet they think their white government love us more and provide us with free money to drive Benz and BMW around … like the myth about some refugees getting $4,000 a month from your government while the evil white canuck elders get nothing. Things like that.

    I still don’t see if I were a white guy living in YellowKnife or Whitehorse in the Yukon, how does all this concern me?

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  35. Judge Dredd08-22-12

    chinktalk,

    Yeah, you sound a little suspicious.

    Where is the closest neighbour? 20-km away or 40-km away? I met some white canadians on a computer forum who live like that because they were trying to mail-order some computer parts. They told me lots of stories.

    And they don’t care about “chinese in Canada”.

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  36. Judge Dredd08-24-12

    RCMP, border agents can use torture-tainted information

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/08/24/rcmp-border-agency-information-torture.html

    No appeal of disgraced B.C. RCMP officer’s sentence

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/08/24/bc-robinson-sentence-no-appeal.html

    The Crown will not appeal the sentence given to a disgraced former RCMP officer convicted of obstruction of justice.

    Benjamin (Monty) Robinson was given a 12-month conditional sentence, meaning he won’t go to jail for trying to hide his possible impairment after he was involved in a fatal traffic accident.

    In a written statement, Crown spokesman Neil Mackenzie said the sentence handed down was legally available to the judge and no error of law could be found.

    Mackenzie noted that Robinson’s trial attracted much public attention and that’s why the public deserves an explanation as to why there will be no appeal.

    Robinson was convicted in connection with a collision that killed motorcyclist Orion Hutchinson in Delta, B.C., four years ago.

    He left the crash scene, went home and drank two shots of vodka.

    The judge found that Robinson used his RCMP training to hide the fact that he had been drinking before the accident.

    Robinson announced he was quitting the force the day of his sentencing in July.

    After the trial, Hutchinson’s family expressed its disappointment that the sentence did not involve jail time.

    ~No justice here?

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  37. chinktalk08-25-12

    Where is the closest neighbour? 20-km away or 40-km away? I met some white canadians on a computer forum who live like that because they were trying to mail-order some computer parts. They told me lots of stories.

    And they don’t care about “chinese in Canada”.

    ——————-

    Judge Dredd, most farms today are fairly closely connected due to Canada’s well established highway infrastructure.

    It is an exception rather than the rule to have farms over 20 kms apart, what you are thinking of is like in the old days when people used to say -” son, I used to walk 2 miles in the snow bare foot to go to school,…” – when you needed a horse carriage to get around.

    Canadian farmers are the backbones of this country and many great Canadians come from a farming background.

    Most Canadian farmers are caring people and good Christians.

    Here is a farm related question for you and Ronglimeng, do you know what a “honey wagon” is?

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    • Judge Dredd08-25-12

      Do you consider those redneck Alberta cowboys as farmers?

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      • Judge Dredd08-25-12

        And no, agriculture is not a backbone of this country.

        I am constantly amazed by how local people know nothing about their own country here …

        “In 2001, the accrued net income of farm operators from farm production amounted to 1,633 million dollars, which amounts to 0.147% of Canada’s gross domestic product.

        Canada’s evolution has abandoned subsistence techniques and now sees a mere 3% of Canada’s population employed as a mechanized industrial farmer”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_Canada

        Read here:
        This shows the Structure of the BC Economy:

        http://www.fin.gov.bc.ca/PT/dmb/ref/investorTour.pdf

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        • Judge Dredd08-25-12

          http://guidetobceconomy.org/bcs_economy/economy_structure.htm

          This gives you more information.

          Let me ask you this:

          What sustain the service sector of the economy?

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        • chintalk08-26-12

          “In 2001, the accrued net income of farm operators from farm production amounted to 1,633 million dollars, which amounts to 0.147% of Canada’s gross domestic product.”

          Canadian farmers have the option to use the cash basis to report income so the numbers don’t reflect the 16 hour days that farmers labour over harvest.

          “Canada’s evolution has abandoned subsistence techniques and now sees a mere 3% of Canada’s population employed as a mechanized industrial farmer”

          To put things into perspective for you, the Punjabis in India represent only 2% of the country’s population yet the Punjab feeds the whole country of 1.2 billion people.

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      • chinktalk08-25-12

        You are stereotyping Albertans and it is quite unfair.

        If you would have a chance to go to a gymcana, for example, you would experience true Albertan neighbourly hospitality you would not see anywhere in the world.

        Albertan farmers are well educated, intelligent and of course, great farmers.

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        • judge dredd08-26-12

          your replies contain mostly inaccurate information. I don’t see any point to continue this conversation.

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          • chinktalk08-27-12

            My comments are based on my own personal experiences, they may be biased but hardly inaccurate.

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  38. Judge Dredd08-26-12

    Shameless white canadians invading China and steal jobs?

    Canadians see a land of opportunity—in China
    Maybe a new life awaits you in Nanjing
    by Mika Rekai on Tuesday, August 21, 2012

    http://www2.macleans.ca/2012/08/21/canadians-see-a-land-of-opportunity-in-china/

    When Noel Muller returned to Toronto from China in 2010, he was thrilled to be home. Within a few months, however, the then-28-year-old teacher, fed up with unemployment—and with bunking in his mom’s basement—was back on a plane bound for China. Muller had spent a year in Jilin, a small city in China’s northeast, teaching English to local children. He’d been homesick, especially toward the end, and keen to start a permanent teaching career in Ontario. But within weeks of returning, Muller realized that might not be an option for him.

    With the economy in the tank, he says, “all the jobs dried up.” And in a year in which over two-thirds of education graduates were unemployed, Muller certainly wasn’t being picky. He was applying for everything from tutoring positions to teacher’s assistant spots to a job teaching English as a second language. Then he got a call from his old boss in Jilin. “He was pretty desperate to have me back,” he says, “and offered me a substantial pay raise.” For Muller, it was an easy choice. “Adventure may have brought me here the first time,” he says, “but monetary considerations certainly brought me back.”

    Muller is one of a growing number of young Canadian professionals pursuing careers in the new land of opportunity. In Canada, recent graduates were hit particularly hard by the financial crisis—youth unemployment here sits at 14 per cent, double the national rate—and have not fully recovered. Many are settling for contract work outside their field, often below their skill level. But in China, companies are hungry for educated young workers. And they’re willing to pay a premium for foreigners who can act as linguistic and cultural bridges between China and the West.

    Mitch Moxley, a Regina native, was in a similar position to Muller when he moved to China in 2007 to pursue a writing career. Moxley, a freelance reporter, was struggling to find paid work in Toronto. One day, while browsing online want ads, he noticed an open position at China Daily, the state-run newspaper, and applied. China itself wasn’t the allure—any position abroad would have suited him. He wanted to improve his resumé, experience a new culture, and head home after a year. But all that changed after the financial crisis in 2008. Five years later, he still lives in Beijing, one of many young Canadians pursuing the kind of careers they were struggling to launch at home. “People can come here and really land on their feet,” he says. “There is a tonne of opportunity, especially for young people.” The combination of good jobs and a low cost of living has kept even the most hesitant Canadians in China years longer than they expected.

    While Muller isn’t entirely confident his teaching experience in China will be marketable back home, his current lifestyle is enough to make him want to stay. “I’m really comfortable here. I have the nicest apartment I’ve ever lived in. I go out and eat and drink. I spend as much money on entertainment as I want, I travel on every vacation, and at the end of the month I still save half of my paycheque. That’s just not going to happen in Toronto.”

    While lifestyle alone is enough to keep Muller in the country, Tyler Ehler, a graduate student in economics at the University of Nanjing, went to China to begin a career in international business. The McGill grad was confident the country was going to be a huge part of Canada’s economic future. “We’ve got to expand beyond the United States,” he says, “and Europe is a mess.” Smart companies realize that if they’re not in China, “they’re not in the global market.” The 23-year-old Aurora, Ont., native is working for a Hong Kong venture capital firm.

    Ehler thinks it’s critical that he’s in China when he’s starting out. Many of the struggles Westerners face when trying to break into the Chinese market are the result of a networking failure; in China, good business relies on good relationships, he says. “If I develop a network now, at the start of my career, it’s going to be a lot easier than just showing up here at 40 and expecting to do business,” he says.

    Ehler has been able to dip into the Hong Kong business world’s most exclusive circles simply as a novelty. “There are a lot of Chinese-Canadians here but there are no non-Asians who speak Mandarin,” he says, adding that his boss has taken him to meetings to which he might not have been invited under different circumstances. “When he’s having lunch with government officials, my boss says he likes to surround himself with pretty girls and a white guy who speaks Mandarin,” he says. “That’s his way of distinguishing himself.”

    Alongside work and school, Ehler is part of a $30,000-project, launched by Johns Hopkins University, to start a bilingual English-Mandarin social enterprise to help Chinese and Western companies interact. Ehler hopes the project will turn into a consulting firm in the future.

    But despite all the opportunity China offers today, few young Canadians say they intend stay much beyond their twenties or early thirties. Living in a country undergoing rapid change can be unsettling, Ehler admits. “In Shanghai they have the living standards of an affluent European country, but in other parts of the country they have the living standards of a poor African country. There are so many challenges ahead.” Even after five years in Beijing, Moxley says he intends to return home. “Living in China, you can sometimes feel like you’re running away from reality,” he says. “Eventually you grow up and realize you don’t want to hide away.”

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    • chinktalk08-27-12

      “But despite all the opportunity China offers today, few young Canadians say they intend stay much beyond their twenties or early thirties. Living in a country undergoing rapid change can be unsettling, Ehler admits. “In Shanghai they have the living standards of an affluent European country, but in other parts of the country they have the living standards of a poor African country. There are so many challenges ahead.” Even after five years in Beijing, Moxley says he intends to return home. “Living in China, you can sometimes feel like you’re running away from reality,” he says. “Eventually you grow up and realize you don’t want to hide away.”

      ——————

      There are some similarities between the young Canadians going to China today and the old “coolie” class of Chinese coming to Canada in the 19th century and economics being the common denominator.

      Mainstream Canadians chastise the Chinese for ripping off the economic benefits of Canada and wanting to go back to China afterwards. I think now they would have a better understanding why sometimes it is hard not to feel homesick; eventhough for the Chinese home was a desert of an empty rice bowl.

      But the “endowed” class of Chinese (those came post 80s with money and education as opposed to the “coolie” class that came to Canada to stave off starvation) came to Canada for quite a different reason – not economics but political stability and lifestyle.

      I remember that during the 80s, it was reported in the news that the Hong Kong Chinese were brining in an average of $1 million (80s dollar terms) a day into BC, that inflow of cash took BC out of a recession.

      And for the first time ever in Canadian history that jobs that were off limits to Chinese people were now opened, most notable was the banking industry in which previously had the sign of “Chinese need not apply” now was demanding that “Chinese wanted”, the reason was simply that the banks need someone to fight for that $1 million a day deposit.

      With all those Chinese working in the banks prompted the famous accusation that Chinese are stealing jobs from white Canadians.

      One thing that I don’t understand is I could see why white Canadians would want to have some cushy banker’s job, but why would they complain that the Chinese coolies are taking their jobs in the 1800s or the present day slave labour manufacturing jobs.

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      • Judge Dredd08-27-12

        “And for the first time ever in Canadian history that jobs that were off limits to Chinese people were now opened, most notable was the banking industry in which previously had the sign of “Chinese need not apply” now was demanding that “Chinese wanted”, the reason was simply that the banks need someone to fight for that $1 million a day deposit.

        With all those Chinese working in the banks prompted the famous accusation that Chinese are stealing jobs from white Canadians.”

        Could you elaborate more? What jobs were off-limits to chinese people?

        Chinese working in the banks prompted accusation? Could you show some links?

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        • chinktalk08-28-12

          What prompted you to make this statement – Shameless white canadians invading China and steal jobs?

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          • Judge Dredd08-29-12

            For example, we being here in Canada, can you look for jobs in USA?

            The answer is what? Not really.

            You need a work visa/permit to work in USA, even if you are a white guy.

            Under what circumstances would an American company do all that paperwork to sponsor you to work in the states? You don’t get to stay in USA when they fire you and not renew your work visa.

            Back to that guy’s story, did he just freely enter or maraud in China and Hong Kong get jobs?

            “While Muller isn’t entirely confident his teaching experience in China will be marketable back home, his current lifestyle is enough to make him want to stay. “I’m really comfortable here. I have the nicest apartment I’ve ever lived in. I go out and eat and drink. I spend as much money on entertainment as I want, I travel on every vacation, and at the end of the month I still save half of my paycheque. That’s just not going to happen in Toronto.”

            Another thing, aren’t these white people, in general, racist? Considering the kind of “welcome” they give to Canada-born-Chinese and immigrants alike … Why are they going to these ‘non-white’ immigrant’s home countries? What for?

            If they are bringing captial to invest or bring money to do charity work, I’d understand.

            But instead, what do they offer? They are unemployed here and so they go over to these 3rd countries to steal jobs. And how do they behave when they are there?

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          • Judge Dredd08-30-12

            Analysis continues …

            “Ehler thinks it’s critical that he’s in China when he’s starting out. Many of the struggles Westerners face when trying to break into the Chinese market are the result of a networking failure; in China, good business relies on good relationships, he says. “If I develop a network now, at the start of my career, it’s going to be a lot easier than just showing up here at 40 and expecting to do business,” he says.”

            Develop good relationships, develop a network now?

            Let me ask you this. All you native indians and canada-born-chinese who live here all your lives, do you have good relationships or a network with white people to get good jobs from this White society?

            So why do they do affirmative action and racial hiring quotas here? But now, they want relationships/network from China, for what purpose? Pffft!

            The most astounding part is, they don’t seem to respect their Canadian laws–laws that these white people made themselves and are so proud of it.

            EVen thought they aren’t residing in Canada, they are still liable to pay taxes on their international income, since they all have ties to Canada. Since there are no tax treaties so they have to PAY, no if or but.

            http://www.cra-arc.gc.ca/tx/nnrsdnts/cmmn/rsdncy-eng.html

            But this part never crosses their minds, it seems.

            Do these people respect “the rule of law” and obey their own laws which they made themselves earlier? Yes or No?

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      • Judge Dredd08-27-12

        This is an invader’s mentality.

        It is ok for them go over to Other People’s countries to f*ck-around–rape, plunder, steal jobs.

        “When Noel Muller returned to Toronto from China in 2010, he was thrilled to be home. Within a few months, however, the then-28-year-old teacher, fed up with unemployment—and with bunking in his mom’s basement”

        Why toronto don’t have job for this white dude? Didn’t they blame immigrants for coming here? When there are not enough students, as in the case of toronto now, some people are going to lose their job/career.

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        • chinktalk08-28-12

          “f*ck-around–rape, plunder, steal jobs.”

          Characteristics of imperialism and for the Americans it’s called “Manifest Destiny”

          And the imperialism of old has mutated into “manifest destiny Xtreme” as what we are seeing in the south China sea; the notice that the US is backing every country that is having a dispute with China on the islands.

          According to an article by Patrick Brown CBC Canada is part of the US militarization to enforce Manifest Destiny in South and East China seas. (my intepretation)

          Chinese people have more than jobs to worry about if this conflict heats up, just a reminder, according to Fukushima’s Memory of Exile video that the the Japanese were quite complacent up till the time they came and ship them to internment camps.

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  39. Judge Dredd08-28-12

    Whistleblower claims RCMP targeting him
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/08/27/bc-bondage-whistleblower-search-seizure.html

    White Rock RCMP officer charged for fatal high speed pursuit
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/08/27/bc-rcmp-white-rock-charges.html

    This place doesn’t look like a 1st world country …

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  40. Ronglimeng08-29-12

    @Judge:

    Some of your posts are getting far too wordy. Can’t you just post the link, do a short summary, and then get on with your own diatribe (also as brief as possible).

    Chinktalk: there may be a lesson in this for you too ?

    At my age, when I have to do so much scrolling, I begin to lose the thread (so to speak)

    Affectionately,

    Rong

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  41. chinktalk08-31-12

    Here is a poem that exmplifies the paradox in the anti- Chinese rhetoric that is prevalent today.

    The Man He Killed – Thomas Hardy

    “Had he and I but met
    By some old ancient inn,
    We should have sat us down to wet
    Right many a nipperkin!

    But ranged as infantry,
    And staring face to face,
    I shot at him as he at me,
    And killed him in his place.

    I shot him dead because–
    Because he was my foe,
    Just so: my foe of course he was;
    That’s clear enough; although

    He thought he’d ‘list, perhaps,
    Off-hand-like — just as I–
    Was out of work–had sold his traps–
    No other reason why.

    Yes; quaint and curious war is!
    You shoot a fellow down
    You’d treat, if met where any bar is,
    Or help to half-a-crown. ”

    This poem was written in the 1800s and amazingly how it channels what is happening today.

    The Chinese are the foes, some will enlist to fight the Chinese because they are out of options – no job, no possesion; “freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose….And nothing ain’t worth nothing, but it’s free” – Janis Joplin. Free to kill. Freedom is a double edge sword.

    I read somewhere that leaders of countries initiate wars to solve unenployment by getting rid of their own young who have no prospects of work, and the responding country is actually thinking of the same thing.

    So if one side wants war but the other side refuses, there would be no war.

    “Yes; quaint and curious war is!
    You shoot a fellow down
    You’d treat, if met where any bar is,
    Or help to half-a-crown. ”

    If someone decides to invite a Chinese for a drink then there would be no need for:

    “I shot him dead because–
    Because he was my foe,
    Just so: my foe of course he was;
    That’s clear enough; although ”

    What do you think of that word “although”?

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  42. Judge Dredd09-04-12

    @Ronglimeng

    How does Canadian businesses in Sarnia survive against USA border shopping? For this back-to-school season, everywhere, the shopping malls and street stores, is so quiet here in Vancouver. TV and newspapers have reported that people are going down south to shop even for low-cost items.

    Money, jobs send well-educated B.C. young people racing to Alberta’s prosperity

    Lifelong Vancouverite Jessica Roberts-Farina is packing her bags and leaving.

    Born and raised in “rain city,” the 26-year-old says she’s ditching the dour job climate and gloomy housing forecast for the wide open career plains of Alberta.

    “Everything is so expensive, not just housing but it’s everything,” she says. “For me it’s just really frustrating.”

    Roberts-Farina earned a bachelor’s degree in English literature and sociology from the University of B.C. in 2008. Since then she’s done freelance editing and worked month-to-month at a variety of communications jobs to make rent.

    After completing an internship in May at the Tyee, a B.C.-based online magazine, she fell back on a customer communications job at a local skincare company.

    Her boyfriend of five years, Anthony, was also struggling to find work after completing a master’s in public policy at Simon Fraser University in 2011.

    “Even with all of his great experience and education, he just wasn’t finding any work in his field at all. And then we talked about changing approaches to job applications,” Roberts-Farina says. “If you’re not getting any bites here, apply outside of B.C.”

    Anthony applied for just two government-policy jobs, both with the government of Alberta. Both led to an interview and both resulted in offers. He accepted one — an extended internship with the Energy ministry — and moved to Edmonton in May.

    She joins him there Tuesday.

    “I’m following him there for similar reasons, in that I’ve been struggling here for a long time and just kind of want to go somewhere that’s more affordable and there’s more opportunities,” she says.

    Roberts-Farina has been sending out applications for editing and government communications positions since July, most of which are still in the assessment phase. She’s optimistic at least one will come through.

    As for her native city: “I just don’t see when that tide is going to turn and it becomes affordable to live here.”

    Haley Mitchell is also part of the wave of lapsed British Columbians ditching the province for riches east of the Rockies.

    Raised in Trail, B.C., she moved to Fort McMurray for the summers of 2010 and 2011, each time for work.

    “Definitely more job opportunities, especially for Fort McMurray,” she says. “People, if they want to go on vacation and they can’t get time off, they just quit their jobs because they can go and get a job somewhere else.”

    Mitchell embodies the tension between desire and necessity, between wanting to stay in her home province and having to become a naturalized Albertan for the money.

    “Honestly, I think it’s the mountains,” she says of her love for B.C. “The mountains are a big deal for me. I like to go hiking and I like to ski in the winter.”

    She also says her time in Fort McMurray wasn’t all positive, citing drugs, the natural landscape and a lack of community as issues discouraging her from moving there for good. She’s now in Kamloops completing her bachelor’s degree in psychology at Thompson Rivers University.

    But that doesn’t mean she won’t go back: “If I maybe went up there for five years to just earn some money,” she said, trailing off.

    The lure? “Definitely would be the wages. I mean, I make less than minimum wage working here as a server, whereas I could go up for work at McDonald’s there and get paid $14 or $18 an hour. So it’s a big difference, for sure.”

    Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/2035/Money+jobs+send+young+people+racing+Alberta+prosperity/7183508/story.html#ixzz25Xh5OfwR

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    • Ronglimeng09-06-12

      “How does Canadian businesses in Sarnia survive against USA border shopping?”

      Just by coincidence, when I first read your question this morning we were preparing for an excursion across the bridge.

      While we were there, the Duchess and her mother bought $228 worth of stuff, we had lunch (American restaurants usually have better value and much better service), and bought a tank of gas ($9 savings).

      Cross-border shopping isn’t a new thing…it just seems an easier deal now. In the 1980’s I used to get sent into “Secondary” just about every second trip, to pay tax and duty. Now I haven’t been there for years.

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  43. judge dredd09-10-12

    Public housing in Vancouver called ‘crack shacks and broth

    els’

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/09/10/bc-go-public-vancouver-public-housing-atira.html?cmp=rss

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  44. judge dredd09-10-12

    Jason Kenney announces 3,100 people being stripped of citizenship for fraud

    news.nationalpost.com/2012/09/09/jason-kenney-expected-to-announce-2900-being-stripped-of-citizenship-for-fraud/

    Anecdotal evidence suggests that a percentage of applicants from the Middle East obtain permanent resident status, then Canadian citizenship, with the goal of acquiring a second passport as insurance

    Since then, dozens of charges have been laid, mostly against immigration consultants accused of helping clients defraud the government. Mr. Kenney has said consultants were collecting “upwards of $25,000” per family for this service, making it a multi-million dollar racket.

    At least 5,000 of the 11,000 now under investigation are permanent residents suspected of committing residence fraud, which occurs when an immigrant claims to have moved to Canada but actually continues to live abroad.

    Immigrants are required to actually live in Canada to maintain their status. But officials have been documenting a growing number who only come to Canada long enough to get their immigration papers stamped.

    They then return to their home countries. Nonetheless, they pretend to be living in Canada so they can sponsor relatives and qualify for Canadian citizenship after three years. In some cases, those committing residence fraud have set up elaborate paper trails to give the appearance they are living in Canada.

    Many of those involved in the scam are from the Middle East, particularly Lebanon. While they do not wish to actually move to Canada, they want an escape hatch in the event their home countries become unstable, according to internal documents.

    “Anecdotal evidence suggests that a percentage of applicants from the Middle East obtain permanent resident status, then Canadian citizenship, with the goal of acquiring a second passport as insurance in case of instability in their country of first residence,” reads a federal study.

    [M]any permanent resident applicants are reluctant to leave the Gulf to settle in Canada permanently but want to obtain PR [Permanent Resident] status and citizenship for reasons of security

    The study, released under the Access to Information Act to Vancouver lawyer Richard Kurland, found a significant level of fraud among permanent residents applying to sponsor family members in Lebanon.

    Only residents of Canada can sponsor a relative to immigrate. But the study said up to a third of Lebanese sponsorship cases were suspect. In other words, the sponsors did not really reside in Canada but were pretending to in order to help their relatives acquire immigrant status.

    The problem is also said to be acute in the Persian Gulf, with its high-paying jobs and business opportunities.

    “As a result,” reads another government report released to Mr. Kurland, “many permanent resident applicants are reluctant to leave the Gulf to settle in Canada permanently but want to obtain PR [Permanent Resident] status and citizenship for reasons of security, the future of their children and a potential doubling of their salary by virtue of holding a Canadian passport.” It said a “significant” number of sponsorships were fraudulent.

    A common scenario involves immigrant families. While the spouse and children do live full-time in Canada, the breadwinner continues to work abroad but lies about it to immigration authorities to maintain Canadian status. Investigators have been identifying such cases partly through a recently-established telephone tip line.

    A source said the spike in the fraud numbers was also the result of a new case management system that alerts enforcement officials when a large number of immigrants give the same address as their home in Canada — which can be an indicator of residence fraud.

    Revoking permanent resident status from fraudsters is fairly straight forward, but a Cabinet order is required to strip citizenship from a Canadian. Some are expected to fight the decision through the courts.

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    • Ronglimeng09-11-12

      I’ve read a couple of newspaper articles and watched a few pieces on the TV news about this welcome (to me) initiative by our national government.

      I haven’t come across any references yet to Chinese people.

      I’m familar with a couple of cases in the Chinese community where the bread-winners had looked for decent jobs in Canada after landing and obtaining citizenship but couldn’t find them. That being the case, they left the family here and returned to the Motherland to work (reluctantly I think – who wants to be separated from family ?).

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      • Judge Dredd09-12-12

        The people “from the Middle East, particularly Lebanon. While they do not wish to actually move to Canada, they want an escape hatch in the event their home countries become unstable, according to internal documents.

        The problem is also said to be acute in the Persian Gulf, with its high-paying jobs and business opportunities.”

        How do you feel about that, Ronglimeng?

        Those immigration consultants paid taxes on their earnings [from these people] to Canada government, didn’t they?

        How would white people feel if they see so many Middle East people in Canada? I know all those funny nicknames invented by you folks.

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  45. Judge Dredd09-12-12

    Ronglimeng,

    Take a look at this:
    http://www.td.com/document/PDF/economics/special/ff912_immigration_levels.pdf

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    • Ronglimeng09-15-12

      @Judge:

      I’ve never understood why we need to grow. Isn’t the preferred world scenario a situation where we have a stabilised population and a stabilised requirement for the earth’s resources?

      As far as the next generation’s problem to support me in my old age, well…c’est la vie. It was the responsibility of my father’s generation to fight again fascism in Europe and Chicom aggressor forces in Korea.

      If you’re in Generation X or Y, I’m sure you’ll come through for me. Just don’t have more than 2.1 children, please.

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      • Judge Dredd09-16-12

        Are you enjoying the benefits of immigrants’ money in Ontario.

        Toronto is the economic engine of Canada despite its 9% unemployment rate at the moment.

        Windsor-Sarnia

        The seasonally-adjusted, short-term trends in labour market indicators are positive. Over the latest three months, average employment increased by an estimated 2,200 persons (0.8 per cent) from the prior three months, while the average unemployment rate decreased from 8.9 per cent to 8.4 per cent of the labour force.

        Ontario as a province, the unemployment rate is 8%.

        Who is paying for things here?

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  46. Judge dredd09-13-12

    B.C. slashes spending to tame growing $1.14B deficit

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/09/13/bc-budget-deficit.html

    Some people continue to mess up finances is nothing new. the tv report shows a white guy government worker saying, please don’t layoff people. if they are laid off, they can’t take care of themselves and become a disadvantaged group in the society!!!

    When did white people who lose their government jobs would immediately become an invalid?

    I can’t believe they said that on tv.

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  47. Judge dredd09-13-12

    UBC student sentenced to 60 days for Stanley Cup riot

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/09/13/bc-alexander-peepre-riot-sentence.html

    I watched this on tv. that guy participated in the riot, attacked 2 people and the crown attorney (a white woman) said the kid got a good character so he has this weekend sentence in order for him to go to school?

    what if that guy was black? he would be serving 25 years to life?

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    • Ronglimeng09-15-12

      @ Judge:

      You seem to be on a real “white privilege” kick lately. I’m sorry to say that “we” don’t have those advantages anymore and “we” are being held responsible for all the world’s problems of the last half-millenium (or longer) – which is a real drag !

      Hell, I couldn’t get a job at the CBC if my life depended on it. Now you have to have a non-pink skin colour and an exotic foreign last name. I think cousin Peter Mansbridge was the last one hired and look how old he is. (Okay, he’s not really my cousin !)

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      • Judge Dredd09-16-12

        I object to that characterization.

        I don’t control what CBC will post online or what people would say on TV.

        I don’t foretell or control or influence any future event(s) that may or may not happen.

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        • Ronglimeng09-19-12

          @ the Judge:

          What characterisation do you mean ? Your “white privilege” kick?

          To explain the CBC reference – my perception is that they are over-compensating in the hiring of non-white people with hard-to-pronounce last names. (I’m being slightly tongue-in-cheek with this, but go ahead and run with it if you like.)

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          • Judge Dredd09-19-12

            You don’t have to say tongue-in-cheek; we know how you really feel. Those people with 20 characters long surname is ridiculous … They do speak perfect English though, no accent at all. Why were they born and raised in Canada in the first place, huh, Ronglimeng?

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  48. chinktalk09-14-12

    “UBC student sentenced to 60 days* for Stanley Cup riot”

    * to be served on weekends

    Just imagine, Chief Jim Chu almost lost his job because of this.

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    • Ronglimeng09-19-12

      @ Chinktalk;

      I don’t see the connection between the convicted student being basically lashed with a wet noodle as punishment, and Chief Chu almost losing his job.

      I think that the Chief came under criticism from some quarters for apparent inaction in laying charges, but he’s a big boy and receiving criticism comes with the job. Was he ever in real danger of being fired ?

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  49. judge dredd09-18-12

    OTTAWA – Canada’s top spy has rejected a call from a federal watchdog for more scrutiny of the Canadian Security Intelligence Service’s human rights record.

    In a newly declassified memo, CSIS director Dick Fadden dismisses the Canadian Human Rights Commission’s recommendation that national security agencies do more to ensure they are not taking part in racial profiling or other objectionable practices.

    “I am confident in the service’s existing human rights policies and procedures, as well as our accountability and review structures,” Fadden says in the January 2012 memo to Public Safety Minister Vic Toews.

    “We have taken aggressive proactive steps to prevent discrimination and profiling in the service, and our investigation and reporting are pursued to protect Canadians and not out of any discriminatory bias.”

    The memo — initially classified secret — was provided to The Canadian Press by Mike Larsen, a criminology instructor at Kwantlen Polytechnic University in British Columbia, who obtained it under the Access to Information Act.

    Fadden’s memo came two months after the human rights commission tabled a special report to Parliament urging the government to bring in legislative amendments that would underline the importance of respect for human rights in the policies and operations of CSIS, the RCMP and other security agencies.

    The changes would also require each organization to have a human rights accountability structure in place that would enable it to gather data, measure performance and take action to improve. In addition, the security agencies would have to report publicly and regularly on their human rights records.

    “The effectiveness of these organizations depends in part on their capacity to earn and maintain the trust of the general public,” the commission’s report says. “Respect for human rights is not just a legal obligation; it is critical to earning that trust.

    “Analysis of a decade of research clearly shows that there are no means to assess the human rights performance of Canada’s national security organizations.”

    The report notes that concerns have been raised about the profiling of individuals in the post-9-11 era, and that specific cases have linked Canadian officials and security organizations to the abuse of Canadians’ rights at the hands of governments in other countries.

    For instance, a federal inquiry concluded that Ottawa telecommunications engineer Maher Arar suffered torture in a Syrian prison likely as a result of flawed information the RCMP passed to the United States. The inquiry prompted numerous changes within federal security agencies.

    In an interview, Larsen said the publication of data about the ethnicity and citizenship of people interviewed by CSIS would increase transparency.

    In his memo, Fadden insists CSIS is already subject to a “rigorous accountability and review regime.”

    The Public Safety Department echoed his position, saying in a statement that Canada has very strong judicial oversight of national security activities conducted by law enforcement and intelligence agencies.

    “While the department has not officially responded to the report, legislation and policies enacted by the government of Canada are done so in strict accordance with the Constitution, including the Charter of Rights and Freedoms, as well as the full range of human rights and privacy legislation that exists in Canada.”

    The department also noted there are review bodies that keep an eye on CSIS, the RCMP and the Communications Security Establishment, Canada’s electronic eavesdropping agency.

    The human rights commission had no immediate comment on the federal statement.

    However, in its report, the commission says the Security Intelligence Review Committee, which monitors CSIS, and the Commission for Public Complaints Against the RCMP deal with human rights issues only “on an ad hoc basis.”

    “This approach does not provide a comprehensive look at potential human rights trends or issues.”

    The Conservative government recently abolished the inspector general of CSIS, an independent watchdog that served as the “eyes and ears” of the public safety minister regarding the intelligence service’s activities.

    The government says the inspector general’s former duties will be assumed by the intelligence review committee. Critics say the move will result in less scrutiny of CSIS.

    CSIS accountability is becoming “less robust rather than more robust,” said Larsen.

    “It’s an alarming direction.”

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  50. chinktalk09-18-12

    Anybody’s got the guts to discuss about the Chinese/Japanese island dispute?

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    • Judge Dredd09-19-12

      It has nothing to do with Canada.

      The whole thing is USA’s fault by the way.

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    • tUCC09-21-12

      Hi chinktalk…

      Here’s an interesting read:
      http://kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/09/19/the-inconvenient-truth-behind-the-diaoyusenkaku-islands/

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      • chinktalk09-22-12

        Ugly, thanks for the link, kudos to you for having the chutzpah to wade into this.

        A British immigrant once asked me – if Canada goes to war with China, which side would I be on. He was questioning my loyalty to Canada because I was ethnic Chinese yet he was the one who always complained to me about how stupid the Canadians were and he sneered at the Canadian culture.

        Chinese people have been in Canada for over 160 years and there has never been one case of a Chinese betraying Canada; only cases where they would risk their lives to defend Canada.

        And here is someone who knew nothing about Canada nor the Chinese in Canada came with one broad stroke to defame all Chinese.

        But the Chinese were always were the second class citizens; even white immigrants can come over and bully a Canadian of Chinese descent. I kept quiet as all Chinese learned to practice reticence.

        So Kristoff sides with the Chinese because of a convincing article from a Taiwanese and most Canadians (based on comments from the Canadian mainstream media) would side with the Japanese.

        I would sugggest that neither Kristoff nor most of the Canadians know why China is so touchy about some pieces of rocks in the middle of the ocean. Mainstream corporate media suggest the wealth of oil and gas under the rocks that is reason behind the fight.

        To me the reason is rather simple but also illogical to some. As the article noted, over a period of a hundred years, China has been kicked in the balls by so many different countries that every time it sees a foreigner, it just bent over and let the stranger do whatever it wants. Over the past 30 years, the sick man of Asia is now gaining strength and now China feels it can stand up to the bullies.

        China does not want to be raped and shut up anymore.

        China is standing up for its rights, but whether it is strong enough to fight the bullies remains to be seen.

        But one thing is certain, I couldn’t hold back no longer, I told that British immigrant to fuck himself and go back to Great Britain. I am a Canadian and I damn well go to war with whomever I want and that includes Great Britain.

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  51. Judge Dredd09-19-12

    Census shows new face of the Canadian family

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/09/19/census-data-families-households.html

    Female Mounties fear reporting harassment

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/09/19/bc-rcmp-harassment-report.html

    This ain’t white privilege now, isn’t it? What is your excuse this time?

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  52. Judge Dredd09-19-12

    Most Canadians have paid under the table to avoid tax: poll

    http://www.theglobeandmail.com/globe-investor/personal-finance/taxes/most-canadians-have-paid-under-the-table-to-avoid-tax-poll/article4554472/

    So, is it fair to say that most white people cheat on taxes despite they say how much they love their own country?

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    • Ronglimeng09-24-12

      No Judge, it would not be fair to make that linkage. The article that you link makes no reference to ethnic background – it just refers to “Canadians”.

      However, I could see where someone with your way of looking at things, but seeing from a different direction, might make the terrible assumption that the decline in Canadian moral standards regarding paying taxes is due to the influx of immigrants from places like China, India, and Pakistan. But that would be an awful way to think, right ?

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      • judge dredd09-28-12

        Did you go over to that site to check out the comments? I don’t think immigrants/Non-white wrote all that. Quite shocking to see the truth from Canadians.

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  53. Judge Dredd09-22-12

    Kelowna ads accused of being too white

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/09/21/bc-kelowna-diversity-ads.html

    Oh, c’mon, that place is 99.9% white.

    Stop pretending something you aren’t and you don’t want to see, just like those CBC non-white tv hosts.

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    • Ronglimeng09-24-12

      Exactly what I’ve been saying Judge !

      Let’s go for a beer…or a cup of tea ? You call it.

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  54. judge dredd10-01-12

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lauren_Holly

    What’s the difference between race, nationality and citizenship?

    It lists her nationality as American, but I guess she has both American and Canadian citizenship?

    As such I see a fundamental conflict with these CBCs’ Race and Nationality.

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  55. tUCC10-02-12

    Jeez… folks, despite my thoughts about winding down this blog, the ol’ ugly blog still receives quite a bit of comments from you all.

    Maybe we should find some good bloggers and turn this whole thing into a more interactive community effort.

    Yeah… let’s put life back into this blog…

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    • judge dredd10-02-12

      We just talk among ourselves like a bunch if old people in the park near Chinatown. it doesn’t really concern you here.

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  56. Judge Dredd10-04-12

    @Ronglimeng,

    Ontario man who built ’sinister’ confinement room sentenced

    A man who built a confinement room in an abandoned Pickering, Ont., farmhouse with the intention of kidnapping a woman he blamed for the break-up of his marriage has received the maximum sentence of two years less a day.

    Robert Edwin White, 44, has served eight months already, meaning he’ll spend another 16 months in jail.

    The sentence, which was handed down in an Oshawa, Ont., courtroom on Thursday, stirred strong emotions in White’s father, Jim, as he left the courtroom with his wife, Carol.
    Robert Edwin White’s parents, Carol and Jim, speak to media outside an Oshawa courtroom on Thursday. Robert Edwin White’s parents, Carol and Jim, speak to media outside an Oshawa courtroom on Thursday. (CBC)

    “He’s a good person. He’s a good father,” said Jim White, his voice breaking, adding that his son didn’t get to where he is on his own.

    “It took 15 years and three other people to put him where he is today. And I don’t want people to ever forget that.”

    White said that while he is disappointed in the sentence, it may be for the best thing for his son in the long run.

    “He’s going to go, hopefully, where he can get the help that he needs.”
    Room built for ex-wife’s friend

    White had previously pleaded guilty to a charge of break and enter with intent to commit an indictable offence.

    He built the room in the basement of a farmhouse on Concession Road 7, intending to kidnap Gwen Armstrong.

    Armstrong and her husband provided support to White’s former wife, Patricia Gallagher, during the couple’s lengthy and bitter divorce.

    Neither woman was present at the courtroom on Thursday. They told the court last month that they live in fear.

    Judge Mary Teresa Devlin described the room, which was discovered by contractors in mid-December last year, as “sinister.”

    The court determined that White, who blamed Armstrong for the break-up of his marriage, planned to kidnap and confine her and then demand ransom money.

    Devlin stressed that the sentence handed down was not for what White would have done, but rather for his repeated break-ins into the abandoned farmhouse over an 18-month period, and the fact that he built an inescapable prison to kidnap and imprison someone.
    House went down in flames

    On Jan. 6, 2012, the farm home containing the room mysteriously burned to the ground.

    Det. Const. Malcolm Wilson with Durham Regional Police said Thursday that the arson investigation is ongoing, and that White has not been ruled out as a suspect.
    The abandoned farmhouse containing the confinement room was destroyed by fire in January.The abandoned farmhouse containing the confinement room was destroyed by fire in January. (Tony Smyth/CBC)

    When it was first discovered, the small room — no more than four metres wide — appeared freshly painted and contained several jugs of water.

    Images of the room showed what looked like a collapsible locker-room bench, with chains hanging from the ceiling. The doors were crafted from layers of lumber.

    Wilson refused to discuss the safety measures that police have and will put in place, but did say that the women are doing fine.

    “They’re OK. Obviously they’re concerned but they’re OK.”

    ~Ron, do you have a confinement room in Sarnia?

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    • Ronglimeng10-04-12

      I don’t understand why you would post a news story like that which is unrelated to anything we usually discuss on the tUCC website and expect me to respond.

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  57. judge dredd10-08-12

    XL Foods beef recall reaches Hong Kong
    Number of E. coli cases linked to Alberta plant reaches 11

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/story/2012/10/08/xl-foods-beef-recall.html

    Shame on Canada! 400 comments over there, and it is a racial discussion?

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  58. chinktalk10-09-12

    It is not Canada’s fault, XL foods is owned by the Americans and the concept of production line food processing is uniquely American, so Canada just happened to be the unwilling participant.

    It is a myth to think that Canada has sovereignty over Canadian resources, take the beef industry, Canadian cattle farmers (and others like chicken and hogs) must purchase feed from the US, the Americans dictate the price of feed for Canada’s meat industry, and when Canadian farmers sell their meat to the US, it is the Americans who decide on the price of meat, so the Canadian farmers’ job is to grow the meat and wait for the Americans to buy them.

    I have friends who run feedlots in Alberta and sometimes they are really squeezed when the price of feed is high and then when the cattle are ready for market, the price of beef suddenly declines, speaking of between a rock and a hard place. But this is really out of the control of Canadians because the Americans control both ends of the process.

    They used to ship the cattles live to the US and process them there but now the Americans are bringing the mass meat processing system to Canada and it’s resultant ill effects.

    e-coli contamination has been a known problem in the US big processing plants for many many years, and now they are reaching Canada, but notice that the CBC didn’t report on this.

    The Canadian mainstream media (controlled by American corporate media) are so busy focusing on demonizing China and making the Chinese the enemy that they miss the fact that it is the US that is undermining Canadian food security.

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    • judge dredd10-09-12

      SO you are blaming USA? Does Canada have sovereignty or not? There is a news article in Chinese newspapers today. B.C. farmers are saying people prefer to import U.S. Produce, despite the higher prices, rather than purchasing local products. One farmer says he is losing $900,000 a year.

      This gets me thinking. what exactly us Canada? if the locals are like that, they don’t need immigrants.

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      • Ronglimeng10-09-12

        Why are you two talking about beef? People in-the-know (like me) are smart enough to avoid beef dishes in Chinese restaurants because the Chinese just don’t do beef very well.

        If you want to discuss meat please stick to the alleged pork shortage that was forecast. If true that could have serious consequences for Chinese cuisine (!).

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  59. chinktalk10-09-12

    Actually that guy in the news is a friend of mine, this problem of major stores not buying from local producers is not only affecting Chinese producers but also Canadian egg farmers.

    What is happening is that Canada is making a transfusion to sustain life for the US economy by draining our own blood.

    This policy of cross border shopping allowing $2,000 if stay over 48 hours are killing the Canadian retail businesses. And directly affects the Canadian egg farmers who cannot compete with $1.25 for a dozen eggs from the States.

    And if you would look at Safeways, Safe-On, and even T&T, they all buy their produce from the US so local producers are dying. There is a 3 year backlog of blueberries stored in refrigeration in BC and if you would go to Safeway’s, for example, the blueberries are imported from the US. Blueberry farmers in BC are hurting and many are forced to sell now with over supply of the product and low prices.

    When T&T was owned by the Chinese, it would purchase all of the produce from local farms, and now it’s been taken over by Loblaws, they buy all their stuff from the US and now things are more expensive at T&T.

    I don’t mind helping out the Americans with their economy but I hope they understand that our producers are dying because of it and then they turn around and do a QE3 which only means they are printing more money to pay for things rather than work to make their economy more productive.

    Our producers are sacrificed for naught.

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  60. Ronglimeng10-10-12

    “When T&T was owned by the Chinese, it would purchase all of the produce from local farms, and now it’s been taken over by Loblaws, they buy all their stuff from the US and now things are more expensive at T&T.”

    @chinktalk: that doesn’t make sense. No matter who owns T&T, they look for the lowest prices. Throngs of scowling Chinese grocery shoppers would have it no other way !

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    • judge dredd10-10-12

      Ron, how often do you come to Toronto? we could meet at t&t supermarket? you will be surprised to see what’s happening there.

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      • Ronglimeng10-12-12

        We usually trade at the Mississauga T&T on Mavis, somewhere between 6 and 9 times a year.

        You’ll recognise me as the tall white guy being directed around by an intense Chinese woman and her mother.

        For them grocery shopping is very very serious. Their whole attitude seems to be: “I have to be very alert and cautious here, or else I will be cheated”. I keep having to remind them “Chill out ladies, you’re in Canada now !”

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        • Judge dredd10-13-12

          Ok, you been to a t&t before. Don’t you see expensive items there, even more so than “Canadian” supermarkets?

          I think you misunderstood the ladies. They are so nervous because they can’t shop in a real Asian supermarket in sarnia.

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          • Ronglimeng10-13-12

            I’m not sure what you mean by a “real Asian supermarket” but if you’re referring to a dark, cold, smelly place where there are one or two kids being baby-sat by Granny at the cash register, then I’ve been there, done that.

            We like the supermarket chain in question because it is bright, clean, relatively uncluttered, and honest. But as my wife says, you must be careful about advertised sale items – sometimes what you think is on sale is something else. That’s why she is frowning – it’s her concentration look.

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          • chinktalk10-13-12

            I don’t know about Ontario but here in BC before Gaelen Weston took over T&T, all the T&T stores were clean, well organized, excellent service, fresh food with very reasonable prices and by contrast the Superstores (owned by the Westons) were dirty, the vegetables were always rotting, service non existent, they used to have these kids on roller blades working in the stores, it was a real circus; after Gaelen Weston took over the T&T, he copied the management style of T&T and used it on the Superstores, now the Superstores are well lid, clean, organized, like the T&T stores.

            The Chinese management style was far superior to what they were doing at the Superstores.

            Gaelen Weston was astute enough to recognize it and it benefited his organization, he paid just over $280 million for T&T, I think he’s gotten a bargain.

            Now if he can only work on getting the prices lower like the old T&T before.

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          • Judge Dredd10-13-12

            Ron, the kind of place your described can’t be considered a supermarket. You do know that white people used to have stores like that before they invented “super” market.

            I meant there isn’t a chinese supermarket in sarnia. that clean and well-lit place that has more choices of merchandise.

            About the on sale items, you do know white people’s supermarkets always jack up the prices before having a sale? It us like a national pastime here.

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  61. judge dredd10-11-12

    Conservatives commit $16 million to ‘action plan’ ads while cutting programs
    Bruce Cheadle, Wednesday, October 10, 2012 5:31 PM

    OTTAWA – The Conservative government has approved tens of millions of dollars in “economic action plan” ads this year even as it cites fiscal restraint to cut programs such as scientific research and environmental monitoring.

    While Finance officials are refusing to disclose the budget for the current blitz, contracts listed on the department’s website suggest the saturation ad campaign is costing taxpayers about $14 million.

    A Treasury Board document shows that cabinet previously approved $16 million in “economic action plan” advertising in the first quarter of this year.

    That doesn’t include $5 million approved for a “better jobs” ad campaign, $8 million to sell Canadians on cuts to old age security, and $5 million to promote “responsible resource development” — the slogan given to an environmental assessment system that was cut back and restructured in the last budget. All the measures are promoted on the government’s “economic action plan” web site.

    The Conservatives also approved $4.5 million for War of 1812 advertising this year.

    In all, the federal cabinet has already approved more than $64 million in ad spending for 2012-13 — seemingly well on its way to matching the $83.3 million they spent in 2010-11, the last year for which complete numbers are available.

    When the Conservatives came to office in 2006, they inherited a federal advertising budget of $41.3 million — a total they have doubled, and in one case more than tripled, every year they’ve been in power to date.

    The ad spending comes as Treasury Board President Tony Clement oversees sweeping cuts to government programs in an across-the-board belt-tightening exercise.

    World-renowned programs such as the Experimental Lakes Area are being axed for savings of $2 million annually, while the National Round Table on the Environment and the Economy was cut to save $5.5 million.

    Cindy Blackstock, the executive director of the First Nations Child and Family Caring Society of Canada, called it “disturbing” that millions are being spent on government ads when First Nations children go to school in mould-ridden classrooms.

    “I find these types of expenditures absolutely unacceptable to me, not only as someone who’s running an NGO and cares about the inequities that kids are experiencing, but also as a taxpayer,” Blackstock said in an interview.

    “What I want to see is those taxpayer funds going into better health care, better education, helping children … not to the promotion of government agendas.”

    The Treasury Board of Canada Secretariat web site states: “The Government of Canada’s approach to advertising is guided by the principles of value for money, transparency, and accountability.”

    The latest ad blitz trumpets government policy as the key to economic success, while directing viewers to a government web site for more specific information.

    “Canada’s economic action plan is creating jobs, growth and prosperity,” states the ad.

    Mathieu Ravignat, the NDP Treasury Board critic, says that doesn’t meet the test of a public service announcement.

    “When we’re announcing a supposed result as opposed to something Canadians need, we’re attempting to convince Canadians that this particular government is doing their job,” Ravignat said in an interview.

    “That’s not my understanding of the point of government advertising. And that’s the problem.”

    A spokesman for Jim Flaherty’s Finance department defended the current national campaign in an email to The Canadian Press.

    “In an uncertain global economy, it is important that all Canadians are aware of the initiatives to support the economy and jobs in the economic action plan,” wrote spokesman Jack Aubry.

    While government departments, including Finance, have routinely disclosed the cost of past ad campaigns upon request, no official number was forthcoming for the current ad’s production or media buy.

    “Precise costs will only be known once all of the invoices have been received,” Aubry wrote. “Details regarding government advertising will be published by the government in the annual report on government advertising activities.”

    That means Canadian taxpayers will have to wait until 2014 to get an official tally of the government’s fall 2012 media blitz.

    The most recent annual government advertising report was released Aug. 31, exactly 17 months after the 2010-11 fiscal year end it detailed.

    Ottawa spent $83.3 million on advertising that year, including almost $23 million on “economic action plan” ads.

    The 2009-10 annual ad report wasn’t released until last December, 21 months after the end of the fiscal year.

    Public Works said it could not provide a timeline for the annual ad report on fiscal 2011-12, which wrapped up more than six months ago.

    By contrast, the previous Liberal government tabled its 2002-03 annual ad report in the fall of 2003, roughly six months after the fiscal year end.

    For 2003-04 — at the height of the sponsorship scandal that revolved around government ad expenses — the Liberals didn’t release the annual government ad report until spring 2005, a full 12 months after the fiscal year end.

    @Ron, is there a ministry of propaganda in Canada?

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  62. Ronglimeng10-12-12

    @ judge dredd:

    No judge, there isn’t a “Ministry of Propaganda”.

    But, first of all, let me remind you that pasting almost 80 lines of someone else’s text and then following it up with a single line of your own comment does not make for an interesting post !

    So, again, I request that you summarise the article you’ve read, then give us more of your own thought – or as your psychiatrist would say: “When you read that judge, how did it make you feel ?”

    Propaganda is a perjorative term and nobody would use it to describe what they put out themselves.

    Anyway, government propaganda production is not centralised. It comes out of the mouth and the other bodily orifices of all governments.

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    • Judge dredd10-12-12

      @Ron,

      I don’t think that’s fair to offer a short summary and then my thoughts, because the whole article is the message itself.

      They say it better than I say it.

      This one, for example, says there are too much spent on advertising instead of your government doing real work.

      I post it because I want to know how people feel about it.

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  63. judge dredd10-14-12

    B.C. teen’s family asks bullies to stop in wake of suicide

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/10/14/bc-amanda-todd.html

    This part caught my eye.

    ” Thiessen said those posting inappropriate comments could face legal action.

    “They run the risk of being charged criminally,” he said. “If we gain the appropriate evidence, charges will be forwarded for approval where we can.”
    Remarks called ’sickening’

    Images and comments making light of Todd’s death and suggesting she deserved to be bullied are flooding a Facebook memorial page dedicated the teen — so many that Facebook can’t remove them fast enough.

    Many of the posts come from the U.S., where Todd’s mother says the teen had a cyber-stalker who talked her into flashing her breasts — then sent the pictures to her friends and teachers.”

    This is precisely the character and quality of the locals here.

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    • judge dredd10-14-12

      Even cyber-bullying expert Wanda Cassidy, an SFU professor, says she’s shocked the bullying is continuing after Todd’s suicide.

      “It is really sickening,” she said. “Kids aren’t the only people that cyber-bully. Older people do as well so it can be a habit that is engrained in a family or in society at large.”

      Cassidy says Facebook should release the names of people who commit acts of hate or libel online.

      “Police need to be more involved. The courts are starting to get more involved. Parents need to be more involved, schools need to be more involved and we as a society need to say we will not tolerate this behaviour.”

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  64. Ronglimeng10-15-12

    @ judge dredd

    [Continuing the supermarket sub-thread, and in reply to your 10-13-12 post]

    “white people’s supermarkets” ? Where, pray tell. I haven’t been in a supermarket with only white folks since I bagged groceries at the Parry Sound A&P in the summer of ‘67. Even then, some of the customers had suspiciously dark tans !

    “jack up the prices before having a sale” ? That sounds like barber shop talk. You’ll need to provide empirical evidence.

    “national pastime” ? I’ll give you one…reading the flyers and cutting out coupons. I believe Chinese women in Canada are the biggest readers of the weekly flyers and largest users of discount coupons !

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    • Judge dredd10-15-12

      1. Using your logic, there is no Chinese or ethnic supermarket in Canada.

      2. Empirical evidence? Didn’t you just say no white supermarkets?

      3. Clipping coupons? Who invented coupons in this country? Blame immigrants again?

      All of a sudden, Ron’s true evil white man nature is showing. What’s going on here?

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  65. chinktalk10-18-12

    “I believe Chinese women in Canada are the biggest readers of the weekly flyers and largest users of discount coupons !”

    Ronglimeng, there is a difference between what you believe in and what is the truth.

    You asked Judge Dredd to provide empirical evidence, do you have any empirical evidence that Chinese women in Canada are the largest users of discount coupons?

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    • judge dredd10-18-12

      I am more interested in why Ron suddenly turn evil …

      1. The other day on skytrain, I overheard two white people talking about t&t supermarket. They were mocking whether they could buy Milk t&t. I so wanted to up to them and said, t&t had milk and other diary products since day one in 1993, bought from white local suppliers. This us the thanks we get. It does sound familiar.

      2. Price change at white people’s supermarkets is like a scheme. I never understand why they play this game of fluctuation, for no reason.

      3. Chinese supermarkets don’t do coupons, except from white manufacturer coupon. We don’t play this game of wasting paper.

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      • Ronglimeng10-19-12

        I wondering what responsibility people have when they overhear others making “mocking” remarks.

        In your case, on public transit, the speakers shouldn’t have an expectation of privacy and you should feel free to set them right. It would probably have been better for everyone if you had spoken up.

        But I don’t hold it against you. Twenty years ago I rode a Toronto hotel elevator with two Americans. One said to the other “Have you got any funny money left ?” I was offended but kept quiet. I still kick myself in the ass for not speaking up and saying to them : “Funny money ? You wanna see funny money ? Look at you own friggin’ bills, all the same colour and half of them near-worthless $1 bills !”

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        • Judge dredd10-20-12

          I heard that joke before. Btw, do American businesses in Michigan accept funny money from Canadian cross-border shoppers?

          I didn’t want butt into other people’s conversation, even though I see white people do that to strangers or talk down to nonwhites.

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    • Ronglimeng10-19-12

      Granted, there may be a difference in what I believe, and what is truth, but you notice that I qualified my remark as an opinion while the judge stated his remark as a fact.

      You might also note a slight “tongue in cheek” tone to my post. No ? Another opinion I have is that your sense of humour is not very well developed !

      [Aside] I’m currently reading Jan Wong’s latest book “Out of the Blue”. On page 45 she writes “…as an Asian I’m genetically programmed to lunge at specials.”

      What do you think of that ?

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      • Judge dredd10-20-12

        Isn’t Jan Wong born and raised in Canada?

        She said it to satisfy the racial stereotypes of white people.

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      • chinktalk10-20-12

        “”"”Granted, there may be a difference in what I believe, and what is truth, but you notice that I qualified my remark as an opinion while the judge stated his remark as a fact.”"”

        I read Judge Dredd’s statment as an opinion, perhaps you have misconstrued it as fact.

        “”You might also note a slight “tongue in cheek” tone to my post. No ? Another opinion I have is that your sense of humour is not very well developed !”"

        Let’s put it this way, why should I be amused at something that is not funny. Perhaps you should develop your joke telling skills.

        “”"”[Aside] I’m currently reading Jan Wong’s latest book “Out of the Blue”. On page 45 she writes “…as an Asian I’m genetically programmed to lunge at specials.”

        What do you think of that ?
        “”"”

        Jan Wong’s opinion is hardly empirical evidence.

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        • Ronglimeng10-22-12

          Ewwhh ! That’s cold, Chinktalk, very cold !

          No more kidding around with you !

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          • chinktalk10-22-12

            Hahaha

            Ronglimeng, it was tongue in cheek, couldn’t you take a joke?

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  66. Judge dredd10-20-12

    China, protect Canada

    VANCOUVER SUN OCTOBER 19, 2012

    Spying has been in the news of late. It’s the 50th anniversary of the James Bond franchise hitting the silver screen, a Canadian naval officer pleaded guilty last week to selling military secrets to Russia, and the U.S. House of Representatives’ intelligence committee warns Chinese state-owned companies shouldn’t be allowed to own firms in highly sensitive sectors of our economies, for fear of corporate espionage.

    The committee warned last week that Huawei Technologies and ZTE Corp., two Chinese-based telecommunications giants, should be expelled from the U.S. market to minimize the risk of spying.

    While it did not directly accuse the two of spying, the committee reported that “potential Chinese state influence” on the companies was a “security threat.” It’s believed that Chinese spying was largely responsible for the demise of Nortel, a giant firm that was decimated after its intellectual property was stolen.

    In public comments, committee chairman Mike Rogers warned that equipment that involves processing a large amount of information could be used for corporate espionage, such as servers with plenty of emails and other corporate information that is meant to be private and secure. A true Trojan Horse in our midst.

    The response by the Chinese government was to downplay such concerns and to argue that the Americans were targeting Chinese firms for protectionist reasons.

    Perhaps, as it is not beyond politicians in Washington, D.C., to act protectionist under other guises, especially in an election year. However, it’s a bit rich of the Chinese government to complain about possible nefarious motives and interference in the free market by another government. Corruption and theft of intellectual property and trademark infringement is rife in China.

    In addition, the Chinese government and Chinese military are so intertwined with business because of the sheer number of state-owned companies and how they are financed by government sources, that an open, fair and competitive market in China is non-existent.

    Canadian governments must take the threat of possible state interference and influence upon Chinese companies that operate in Canada, or wish to operate in Canada, seriously. The Canadian government’s decision to delay its ruling on whether to allow the purchase of Nexen by China’s state-owned China National Offshore Oil Corp. is a sign that it’s taking these warnings seriously.

    If that means Chinese firms are restricted from being involved in sensitive technology sectors that could give Chinese companies access to reams of data, so be it.

    Anything less could leave our entire economy shaken and stirred.

    Read more: http://www.vancouversun.com/business/Restrict+China+protect+Canada/7414799/story.html#ixzz29sqKQH00

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  67. chinktalk10-21-12

    To me it has nothing to do with election year or spying but that Huawei and ZTE are encroaching in Cisco’s territory, and the Americans will protect their territory, remember the Chinese vegetable farmers, the Blueberry farmers, and egg farmers, ……

    The Americans, like anybody else, will protect their own turf even it means fear mongering.

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    • judge dredd10-22-12

      It says Canada in the article, not USA. And you are the Trojan horse.

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    • Ronglimeng10-22-12

      “protect their own turf ? Hardly ! Try to find something American-made in one of their largest retailers – Walmart.

      I liked the Vancouver Sun editorial. I thought it was well-balanced.

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      • judge dredd10-23-12

        That is well-balanced? Will you visit chinktalk when he goes to live in a concentration camp for being a Trojan horse in Canada?

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        • chinktalk10-29-12

          Judge Dredd, if I get locked up for speaking my mind, you will not be far behind.

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  68. judge dredd10-23-12

    money.cnn.com/video/news/2012/10/22/n-americans-in-china.cnnmoney/index.html

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  69. judged dredd10-26-12

    Government worker eat $400 lunch on government credit card

    http://www.theprovince.com/Housing+staff+used+agency+credit+cards+lavish+meals+booze+audit/7442450/story.html

    White teacher surf porn, steal money, assault students

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/10/25/bc-teachers-disciplined.html

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  70. judge dredd10-26-12

    B.C. teen arrested for photographing mall takedown
    Lawyer says guards and police have no right to demand people’s cameras

    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/story/2012/10/25/bc-teen-photographer-arrest.html

    This is a regime.

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  71. judge dredd10-28-12

    VPD officers disciplined after viewing porn at work
    Sanctions included suspensions, demotions, transfers, reprimands
    Jason Howe Oct 27, 2012 08:42:56 AM
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    VANCOUVER (NEWS1130) – Email and Internet rules have been refined at the Vancouver Police Department after officers were caught looking at porn

    An internal investigation earlier this year found fourteen officers and another police employee viewed and emailed pornography while at work. All of the members who took part are men.

    None of the images or videos viewed were illegal, but it was a breach of the detachment’s online policy.

    “Sanctions were imposed on officers ranging from suspensions, demotions, transfers, reprimands,” says Police Chief Jim Chu.

    “There is a clear message throughout the organization that email and Internet will be used for appropriate reasons only,” adds Chu.

    He calls this an unfortunate incident.

    —–

    I am seeing a pattern here.

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  72. Ronglimeng10-28-12

    “I am seeing a pattern here.”

    Judge, could you explain this idea for the benefit of people like myself who must not be as perceptive as you ?

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  73. judge dredd10-29-12

    NEWS1130) – People living on disability cheques in this province say they’re barely able to make ends meet and it’s time for the provincial government to up the pay. But right now, the province says they won’t be getting any more money.

    “Currently, people on disability are getting $906 a month to live off of and it’s inadequate. It really needs to be almost double in order to just reach the poverty line,” believes Tom Page with a tenants group called ACORN Canada.

    Social Development Minister Moira Stilwell says the province can’t up the rates right now and that even doing so by 10 per cent would cost taxpayers $120 million a year. Instead, she points out changes have been made to policies to make the disabled more independent.

    Page is on disability and says he was once living in the upper-middle class.

    “I didn’t plan on being disabled. I have tried to work. There is this large ghetto of people who are really living in third world conditions,” he adds.

    Page believes with inflation and food prices rising, this is a problem that will only get worse.

    Statement from the Hon. Moira Stilwell, M.D., Minister of Social Development

    We are always looking for ways to improve supports and services to individuals with disabilities.

    That’s why, on October 1, we made some changes to our policies that will assist individuals with disabilities to lead more independent lives. Creating a better life for people with disabilities is about finding a balance between providing supports to take care of daily needs and finding ways to encourage the greatest level of independence possible.

    I understand that people living with a disability face unique, complex challenges. However, when setting assistance rates, governments are obligated to take a balanced approach between what is fair to individuals seeking assistance and what taxpayers can support.

    B.C. has a good record when it comes to support for people with disabilities, and is home to some of the most comprehensive supports for people with disabilities in Canada. Currently, we are not in a financial position to raise assistance rates in B.C. A 10 per cent increase for all clients would cost $120 million per year. In the longer term, raising the rates is certainly something we’d like to be able to do.

    But we also understand that there is always room for improvement.

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  74. love judge's racist selection of news10-31-12

    Judge Dredd- please discuss. I’d love to hear your view.

    http://www.torontolife.com/daily/informer/from-print-edition-informer/2010/11/15/the-1-club-the-story-behind-weizhen-tang—toronto’s-bernie-madoff

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    • Judge dredd10-31-12

      Why those news articles are racist? because I am not white, I can’t talk about them.

      That guy is of course guilty of ponzi scheme.

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  75. chinktalk11-01-12

    Hey, Peter Chao is back…..Canton style

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KCnYtKbYusI

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  76. Judge Dredd11-24-12

    This is my last post here, because replies aren’t showing up in a timely manner.

    I wanted to show a Chinese newspaper article on hk parent’s Canada-born Chinese kids abandoning Canada to look for better jobs and future in hk.

    it is a perfect end with a CBC story, unfortunately no English version of that article.

    So long people, have a good life.

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    • Ronglimeng11-25-12

      @Judge:

      You could have made an effort to do an English-language summary of the Chinese newspaper article that attracted your interest.

      Any idea where you will be posting from now on ?

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      • Judge Dredd11-26-12

        I don’t post since I have nothing to share. you can find all those articles on CBC.ca anyway.

        can I ask you one last thing? I met so many people from small town Ontario recently l. they are from Thunder Bay, Kitchener. Hamilton … they are all happy to find minimium wage jobs on the west coast. is the east coast really that bad?

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        • Ronglimeng11-27-12

          My guess is that the ex- Ontario people you have met sensed your feelings of inferiority and out of kindness they downplayed the size of the places they came from. Two of those places (Kitchener, Hamilton) are big enough to be in the top 5 cities if they were in B.C. The other one (Thunder Bay) is a time zone away from most of us here and even being up there in the sticks it still manages a population of 108,000 – which would certainly be impressive to B.C’ers.

          I suspect that those people are retired (?) and are just helping out the B.C. economy with a little part-time work…for fun mostly, or maybe as a way to meet the natives ?

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          • Judge dredd11-27-12

            Those people I met are in their 20’s and 30’s. Some get a job in the mall; some working in downtown, not wearing suits, just junior position jobs. Those are new faces so I notice.

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          • Judge dredd11-27-12

            I know Vancouver can’t compare to Los Angeles or new York city. But metro Vancouver area still has a modest 2.3 million people. Of course, Toronto has 5.6 million people.

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          • Judge Dredd12-08-12

            Published Friday, Dec. 7, 2012 12:13PM EST

            TORONTO — Ontario’s Liberal government was pleased Friday with the high number of jobs created in November, but remained concerned about the “stubbornly high” unemployment rate of nearly eight per cent.

            Economic Development Minister Brad Duguid said he wasn’t worried that nearly three-quarters of the 32,000 new jobs created in Ontario last month were part-time positions.

            “Sometimes it’s more full-time jobs, sometimes it’s more part-time, but at the end of the day it’s the second highest increase we’ve seen in jobs in 12 months,” he said.

            “That’s good news. It tells me that we’re on the right track.”

            Ontario is leading the country in job creation with 378,100 net new jobs created since the 2009 recession, but the unemployment rate of 7.9 per cent is too high, despite a drop of 0.4 of a point last month, said Duguid.

            “The unemployment rate has remained stubbornly high,” he said.

            “We’re not satisfied with that. We want to see that unemployment rate come down as much as it possibly can.”

            The New Democrats said thousands of people are desperate to land a job, but warned people cannot survive on part-time wages.

            “You can’t feed a family or pay for daycare with those jobs,” said NDP economic development critic Catherine Fife.

            “In communities like Waterloo, 5,000 applications came in for 170 jobs at Wal-Mart, so every community is hurting.”

            The NDP called on the Liberal government to abandon corporate tax cuts and instead tie incentives to job creation.

            Read more: http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/unemployment-rate-still-stubbornly-high-in-ontario-1.1070291#ixzz2EUwyO75W

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            Those Walmart jobs must be really high-paid.

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  77. Judge Dredd11-26-12

    The Hong Kong people in Canada in Hong Kong heart [2012-09-27] Reporter Wang Lu reported

    University of British Columbia (UBC) in cooperation with the Chinese University of Hong Kong (CUHK) qualitative research report points out that Canada is a new generation of immigrant youth (referred to as Canada and Hong Kong Youth), they find work commensurate with qualifications in the national crisis in recent years, he moved to Hong Kong and build their own social circles, a strong sense of identity and Canadian identity, eventually wish to return to Canada. Scholars involved in the study called on the Canadian government should avoid brain drain, such as Canada and Hong Kong Youth should have policies in order to attract them back to Canada to make contributions. This entitled “returning migrants or diaspora: study about working in Hong Kong, a new generation of Canadian Huaqing the (Return Migrant or Diaspora: An Exploratory Study of New Generation Chinese-Canadian Youth Working in Hong Kong), in September 2010 January to March 2011, during a visit to the 10 women and 8 men, 18 and 23 years old to 33 years old and living in Hong Kong Canadian Huaqing. The vast majority have a college degree Six respondents the Canadian Land Health Huaqing, the remaining 12 were immigrants to Canada between the ages of 1-15, at least in Canada received 10 years of education. Respondents are from Vancouver and Toronto. All respondents except one, each of whom have a university degree. UBC School of Social Work Associate Professor Yin Miaozhong Wednesday interview with Sing Tao Daily reporter pointed out that approximately 300,000 Canadians living in Hong Kong, of which 67% were born in Hong Kong, and 83% owned by Canada dual citizenship. These respondents were Canadian ethnic Chinese living in Hong Kong, 18% were aged between 20-29 years old. Yinmiao Zhong said that since 2004, he came to Vancouver on note, plus the YMCA reflux to the development of Hong Kong’s people increasing. He said with a smile: “even in UBC graduates graduated at UBC today and tomorrow to fly back to Hong Kong to find a job.” Unlike the first-generation Chinese immigrants The development of these plus the YMCA back to Hong Kong the main reason, most related to promotion opportunities (see Schedule 1) and engaged in the financial sector (see Table 2). Yinmiao Zhong said, Canada’s first-generation Chinese immigrants, the new generation of the YMCA obstacles will not appear on the language, education and culture, as well as work experience. Yan Miaozhong the 18 respondents objects, for example, refers to them from their home universities after graduation, it was not found in the local full-time job, and some find jobs below their education level. Also large banking institutions in the country when the manager several years, because of the experiences of the Asian identity “ceiling effect” (glass ceiling), promotion hopeless, it is difficult to realize one’s ambitions. He also notes that, plus the YMCA childhood respondents familiar with the Hong Kong Cultural reflux after a short time to adapt to the local environment, coupled with in Hong Kong as an international financial center, the development of more opportunities to find a job more easily faster. The majority of those surveyed by international agencies online recruitment channel, within three months to find work consistent with their qualifications, such as business graduates find marketing work, do computer technician computer engineering graduates in the MTR. Eventually wish to return to Canada Yan Miaozhong think, is particularly worth mentioning is that these increases the YMCA to work in Hong Kong, but the strong Canadian identity, most hope eventually to return to Canada. Core living area was more than the side plus the YMCA peers, and then the outer layer of young overseas working in Hong Kong, followed by expatriates, the outermost layer is a Hong Kong native youth. Yinmiao Zhong said, Canada is a nation of immigrants, and their cultivation of talent should also be concerned about in the policy to focus outward to absorb immigrants talent. He hoped that through this research will help avoid plus the YMCA this brain drain phenomenon exacerbated. Yan Miaozhong final recommendations, the Canadian government should create diverse job market, to create different types of work, explore overseas markets and international financial business. , Ottawa could follow the example of China, India and other development policy contact overseas Canadians, or government departments set up recruitment of overseas people attach importance to absorb overseas plus overseas Chinese to return to Canada, to make more contributions to their development.d

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    • Judge Dredd11-26-12

      The scholars are retarded. Canada has nothing to offer with its high unemployment rate and deficits and debts.

      All they want is foreign currency injection to white people’s system to protect white people’s jobs.

      Why would white people want to give away local Canadian good jobs when they themselves are unemployed?

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    • Ronglimeng11-27-12

      I see red when I read about Canada being a “nation of immigrants”. I’m not an immigrant nor are eight generations on my father’s side, and two on my mothers’ side. I think that even now 85% of Canadian people were born in this country and that means they are not immigrants. That’s a solid majority. We are not a nation of immigrants; we are a nation with a lot of immigrants.

      As far as cultivating talent goes, it has always been the immigrant’s place to fit into Canadian society and why should that change ?

      The cab driver with a dubious foreign medical degree shouldn’t get an automatic pass into the profession here just because even though he doesn’t speak English he only wants to practice in his own immigrant community.

      The same standards for everyone.

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